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UK clocks change trial being considered 

Should we change the clocks?
Yes 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
No 50%  50%  [ 9 ]
Maybe 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Pie's good whenever 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
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UK clocks change trial being considered 
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As I've repeatedly said, I suffer genuine physiological effects that can only be described as torture because of this ludicrous practice. Sleep deprivation is against the Geneva convention FFS!


Do you suffer when you visit France?

I'm with JJ on that, my body clock fecks up even when I go to Finland.

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By one hour? Seriously?

It's not like you're flying to Hong Kong.

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By one hour? Seriously?

It's not like you're flying to Hong Kong.

2 hours time difference but then again we always see the GF's family, perhaps that's a bigger contributor. :lol:

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It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm not lazy but do tend to get tired more during the day these days.

Body clock FTW.

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As far as physically winding the clock back and forth, in this house all bar about three timepieces do it automagically. Just my car, a novelty cat clock, the oven and the kitchen clock need manual intervention.

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I really don't see the hardship in moving a clock hand back and forth twice a year.
... After all, most bits of tech do it automatically.

Exactly wrong.

Most public clocks in the realm, such as town hall, church, station and shopping centre clocks, don't do it automatically and we, as a nation, waste millions every year moving clock hands around.

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Most public clocks in the realm, such as town hall, church, station and shopping centre clocks, don't do it automatically and we, as a nation, waste millions every year moving clock hands around.

Truth sayer.

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Exactly wrong.

Most public clocks in the realm, such as town hall, church, station and shopping centre clocks, don't do it automatically and we, as a nation, waste millions every year moving clock hands around.


Millions? Where's that money being paid to then? People who are already in employment by the various organisations who then, twice a year, have to do something slightly different to their day-to-day.
Or is there some company who specialises in clock-hand moving, and have cornered the market so efficiently they charge through the roof for the two days a year they do any work?
(Unless it's Santa/Easter Bunny moonlighting of course - would make sense for them to diversify in these economically challenging times.)

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Exactly wrong.

Most public clocks in the realm, such as town hall, church, station and shopping centre clocks, don't do it automatically and we, as a nation, waste millions every year moving clock hands around.


Millions? Where's that money being paid to then? People who are already in employment by the various organisations who then, twice a year, have to do something slightly different to their day-to-day.

Firstly, given that the clock change has to happen at 2am in autumn and 1am in spring, the people doing it would be doing something very different to their day-to-day.

Secondly, you make it sound as though councils and public authorities can just send the tea-boy up a ladder. Most of the clocks I am talking about are in very inaccessible positions and just getting to them can require specialist equipment and training.

Thirdly, we're not talking about Aunty Edith's mantel carriage clock - one cannot move an 8-foot steel minute hand with an AA battery. Many of these very large clocks are incredibly complex mechanical beasts that work very differently to household clocks and as such require specialist knowledge in order to change.

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Firstly, given that the clock change has to happen at 2am in autumn and 1am in spring, the people doing it would be doing something very different to their day-to-day.


So your technicians/engineers work a night. Who hasn't?

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Secondly, you make it sound as though councils and public authorities can just send the tea-boy up a ladder. Most of the clocks I am talking about are in very inaccessible positions and just getting to them can require specialist equipment and training.

Thirdly, we're not talking about Aunty Edith's mantel carriage clock - one cannot move an 8-foot steel minute hand with an AA battery. Many of these very large clocks are incredibly complex mechanical beasts that work very differently to household clocks and as such require specialist knowledge in order to change.



Specialists that you'd expect the council to either have on the salary or on a contract for the maintenance and care of these things. I'm still far from convinced that adjusting a clock on the war memorial in the middle of town adds up to a huge additional expense.
And if the expense is that significant, install a system that'll do it remotely. This is the 21st century after all. We have the technology.

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As I've repeatedly said, I suffer genuine physiological effects that can only be described as torture because of this ludicrous practice. Sleep deprivation is against the Geneva convention FFS!


Do you suffer when you visit France?

No, because then I'm on holiday and I get up when I feel like it :lol:

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I have had reports of various public places having changed their clocks on Friday. :|

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Firstly, given that the clock change has to happen at 2am in autumn and 1am in spring, the people doing it would be doing something very different to their day-to-day.


So your technicians/engineers work a night. Who hasn't?

Most people actually.

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Secondly, you make it sound as though councils and public authorities can just send the tea-boy up a ladder. Most of the clocks I am talking about are in very inaccessible positions and just getting to them can require specialist equipment and training.

Thirdly, we're not talking about Aunty Edith's mantel carriage clock - one cannot move an 8-foot steel minute hand with an AA battery. Many of these very large clocks are incredibly complex mechanical beasts that work very differently to household clocks and as such require specialist knowledge in order to change.


Specialists that you'd expect the council to either have on the salary or on a contract for the maintenance and care of these things. I'm still far from convinced that adjusting a clock on the war memorial in the middle of town adds up to a huge additional expense.


Eh?

Take your normal maintenance costs and multiply them manifold because of the extra staff you need to change all of the clocks at the same time. And then double it because of the overtime.

That's your extra expense right there.

And I'm not talking about some little timepiece in the war memorial; I'm talking about the 10-foot behemoth 4 storeys up on the side of the town hall.

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And if the expense is that significant, install a system that'll do it remotely. This is the 21st century after all. We have the technology.

So you want to hack C21 technology into beautiful Victorian timing systems. That sounds like a wonderful idea :roll:

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I have had reports of various public places having changed their clocks on Friday. :|


Some will leave it for the daytime on Monday during normal working hours.

I also don’t like the idea, that is clearly the Conservative message getting through, that people are “waste” because they do something different to the norm. We need to stop this unhealthy way of thinking.

There are specialist horologists out there because we WANT mechanical clocks. We like them in high places. It’s what we do and who we are. If you think that adjusting the time is a waste of money, then we should not have them there in the first place.

Anyway, shunting the specialist clocks forward and backwards an hour is also a good time to do inspection, maintenance and other routine work. Or is that all a waste too?

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Most people actually.


And I think most people could probably manage it twice a year.

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Eh?

Take your normal maintenance costs and multiply them manifold because of the extra staff you need to change all of the clocks at the same time. And then double it because of the overtime.

That's your extra expense right there.

And I'm not talking about some little timepiece in the war memorial; I'm talking about the 10-foot behemoth 4 storeys up on the side of the town hall.


Yes, I have seen clocks before. You might also have noticed that not all the clocks are changed at the same time.
Changing the clock's time is part of the normal maintenance. It's not unusual, it's predictable, it's not like an unexpected break down.
You're not telling me that twice a year, this event rolls around and the council go 'Oh bugger. Completely slipped our minds. Better get the cheque book out.'


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So you want to hack C21 technology into beautiful Victorian timing systems. That sounds like a wonderful idea :roll:


Of course I don't, and it's not.
That's why we send people round to do it because it's not that big of a deal.

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