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How about Pub, inn?

Pubs all serve beer. They don't all serve food. They need a special licence for that. My local can sell you a packet of crisps, which hardly counts.

Inn is a word largely out of fashion, but historically refers to a travellers lodge at which food, beer and stables are often (but not necessarily) available. Not many brasseries fit the description, and the commonly found Holiday Inn chain of hotels do not all serve food!

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I don't want anyone to take my word for anything. But when there's an existing english word, why use the french, except to sound posh and charge customers extra?

Which English word? Café? Bistro? Restaurant? Pizzeria? All foreign words we've been using or abusing for about as long as brasserie. Remember, the English never really "did" food. We mostly relied on other countries for that, and then bastardised the relevant language.

We eat "bœuf" and "porc" rather than "cow flesh" and "swine flesh" because English people don't even know what cremated creature it is they're chewing on. Compare the German "Schweinefleisch" for a more honest example of language...

How about Pub, inn? It might be unfashionable to use British words but they exists.

Well Porc is french for Pork. Not French for pig, which is cochon.
Boeuf is french for beef. the animal is Vache/ Taureau.so it's the same thing.


You will probably find that Latin is the root for words like pork (porcus) and beef (bos = ox).

Interestingly, the English words chef and chief stem from the same French word - chef. Between the time of chief (as in military commander) being introduced and the word for head of a kitchen (chef) the French pronunciation of the "ch" had changed from a hard sound to a soft sound. The Latin root is, I was told nice, 'Caesar' - which also gave rise to Kaiser and Czar.

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I don't want anyone to take my word for anything. But when there's an existing english word, why use the french, except to sound posh and charge customers extra?

Which English word? Café? Bistro? Restaurant? Pizzeria?

"Mealhouse", "mealstead" or "mealery".

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TheFrenchun wrote:
I don't want anyone to take my word for anything. But when there's an existing english word, why use the french, except to sound posh and charge customers extra?

Which English word? Café? Bistro? Restaurant? Pizzeria? All foreign words we've been using or abusing for about as long as brasserie. Remember, the English never really "did" food. We mostly relied on other countries for that, and then bastardised the relevant language.

Er.. yeah. You're conflating two issues. The fact we started to use foreign language words to 'gentrify' the places we went out to eat is totally separate to whether Britain has at any point had or not had what would now probably be called a 'food culture'.

The idea Britain is somehow a culinary backwater was true, but for only roughly the first three quarters of the 20th century when things stagnated pretty badly. Before them we had a culinary culture that was actually roughly on par with France. There are numerous reasons why British culinary traditions aren't as revered by us as much as some others - the aristocratic influx following the French revolution, the trade and cultural cross pollination from the British Empire and just basic old fashion. One reason why French cuisine is revered while English isn't is simply historical - they've always been much more protective of their 'native culture' and thus things like culinary traditions are seem as important and to be valued, which gives the impression of prestige we don't attach to our equivalent.

A fine example is the actual etymological history of the nickname 'rosbifs', rather than the most often quoted one, which is wrong.

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