No, she doesn't have a phone she'll sell you

Oh yeah, and...

Very funny guys. I'm in a similar area to JV and was just offering a helping hand if needed.

On a completely unrelated note, bish has sold her entire mobile phone collection to some gentleman called Perer for the sum of £5.00

Peter.

And he is going to get rid of them on Mazuma or similar for 20?

I was only kidding, just in keeping with the posts at the top of the page. Anyway, I had better plans for these mobile phones than Mazuma or similar.

Peter.

Ah yes, envirophone!

Nope, I have much greater plans for the little blighters. They're part of a little experiment, but I'm looking for ones which I should be able to sell on afterwards for a similar amount to break even.

Anyway, we better stop hijacking this serious thread.

Peter.

+1

No, I still have mu iPhone thanks guys.

Bit of an update on what's been happening at my neck of the woods.

Okay, so Keiron and Charlotte have a house now. How I don't know, whether it's rented or council, either way I'm totally oblivious.

So, my mum is like, helping them do this house out, painting and papering, and all the other things that go with it, my dad is also helping with the putting up of things, laying floors and bashing things down.
Honestly I think it's [LIFTED] stupid. How in God's name does a person actually want to put themselves through this? She says "If I don't let him do it my way, he'll do it his way, and I'll loose him forever. I can't handle loosing one of my children. I can't go a day without speaking to one of you, let alone forever!"
So I was like, okay, but you do realise that he will take you for granted, and he won't be grateful for anything you do, and you are certainly going to be hurt in the long run of this.

So I came to see my mother on Sunday, she wanted me and Sam to come up for dinner, so we brought some cake Sam made too. It was a chance to get bad carbs out of the house.
I walked in Keiron’s house, Sam toddling behind me, kept on a leash, because I know what he's like. I walked in and I said "Oh my God, it smells of wet dogs in here and blow." Keiron shot up and said "Why don't you shut your [LIFTED] mouth before I put it in for you." How the hell he was this violent I don't know, only since he's been with Charlotte it's started. So anyway, with that, Sam burst from behind me, walked over to Keiron and literally towered him. Keiron was looking up to him. Sam said "If you ever, and I mean ever, hit her or even threaten her again, and believe me, I think you know what will be coming to you." Keiron just backed off, he looked like a little kid who'd just seen a ghost. I did have a little satisfaction from it, but nevertheless, I really did have to retract his leash then.

After that, he threw us out of there, I'm quite glad actually, I could feel the parasites eat at my skin.

I went home there from work yesterday, dad went to the boot sale on Sunday and knows I love my audio books and book, and got me quite a lot there too. So I went to pick them up.
My dad's mother, Nan Jan was sat there. She'd just been shopping for some stuff for Keiron and his house. I just was awe struck.

Here's a list of what was bought...
Fridge Freezer
Washing Machine
Microwave
Kettle
Toaster
Saucepan Set
Cutlery Set
Dinner Plate Set inc. Bowls
Cup Set
Glasses Set
Various kitchenware

And wait for it....

[LIFTED] mid-range wooden flooring to go though the entire downstairs of the house. With Tiling for the bathroom.

I just walked out of there. I couldn't actually stand it. But then I had to go back in to say my peace, with Keiron who just said "Thanks" And that's it, "thanks" to all of this stuff, he was there with his attachment. Everyone was there.

I walked in and I said, “Do you know what, you're al [LIFTED] hypocrites. You say one thing, then you do anther, you’re a bunch of liars. One minute your worried about him, the next your helping him do out this stupid [LIFTED] house that you know he's only going to be in for a few weeks, because he's going to realise how [LIFTED] expensive it is to keep a house, especially on one income. She’s in college doing childcare… Childcare? She can’t even look after he [LIFTED] self let alone kids. Do you know what? I wash my hands with the lot of you!”

I turned to Charlotte and I said “As long as you are breathing, and as long as you can walk. Don’t even attempt to come near me, because if you do I’ll break your neck. Now there’s something to phone the police about, because that was a threat, and you didn’t have to make that one up. As long as you are with Keiron, I will never accept either of you. I disown Keiron as my brother. You have completely destroyed my family, you have ripped it apart at the seams, and you have just gone one step to far.”

Then I turned to Keiron and I said “I hope you have a good life, but your won’t have one until you realise where you are going wrong. £180 a week is not enough money to keep a house, to put things in it, to eat, to survive. Whiles she’s sitting on her arse doing [LIFTED] all. Me and Sam have a mortgage, we have a dual income, and we get around £5k a month between us, and we can’t even survive. So Good luck. And note one thing, have a baby by her, and don’t let it call me auntie. Got it?”

I looked at Charlotte and she was stood there smirking, the blood just rushed to my head, and my father had to hold me back from knocking those stupid little glasses off of her face.

I got home about 8 last night, and cried myself to sleep. I’m sick of all this. Really sick of it. :'(

Oh dear.

Sorry to hear things haven't got any better. Have you considered taking some time off work and getting away from everything for a week or two?

Once you've been out of the melting pot for a little while, things might not seem so bad when you come back??

Good luck Bish.

This might be a good idea, give you time to mull things over and escape the situation for a while. On the other hand, it might make you more stressed when you return.

As Nick says, sorry to hear things are still bad.

Hope things will settle down soon. The idea of a break (if only a short one) might be the right thing to do even if you just rest and catch up on sleep, etc. And well done Sam for warning your brother of dire consequences to come. I almost stood up and punched the air

I feel so many emotions reading your story, I don't know where to start.

Regarding the army. I am interested in this business of him leaving the army. In your first post you say that he asked your mum to make up a story about his girlfriend being pregnant so that he could get out. As I understand it, you can get out at any time during basic training, so perhaps he wanted to save a little face through this story, but you are suggesting perhaps that he was being manipulated.

From what I understand, many people leave the army because of pointless ill treatment. I know someone who left in the last week of basic because he'd simply had enough of the crap that they were dishing out. He'd lasted all but one week and so was clearly tough enough but couldn't be bothered with the bullsh*t. I know of others who simply had enough of NCOs playing silly beggars and treating them like sh*t that they couldn't be bothered. Perhaps Keiron genuinely hated it and would have tried to get out regardless. I haven't read in your posts that this was entirely Charlotte's fault, but missing her might have had something to do with his emotional state.

I believe as you do that there never was a baby. If he can't see it then, well. It's not my place to judge your family, but he has been sucked in. As young as he is, have you considered that he may have been very genuinely upset by the whole business in that he wanted the baby? You may think that he has been suckered and perhaps should not have been so silly, but have you considered that he doesn't doubt Charlotte and is genuinely upset at this lost chance. You don't say, but perhaps he liked the idea of being a father, even at 16/17.

It appears to me that your brother is besotted with Charlotte and it is therefore understandable that he won't hear a word said against her. His violent responses towards his family are rather worrying but makes it clear to me that he is not going to take any criticism of her lightly. She is so far under his skin that anything negative won't be well received and the more family members that gang up on him, the more he is going to be upset and in being criticised and in a manner rejected by his family, I can only see him clinging more tightly to Charlotte as the one person who seems to care. From what I know of life, she won't even need to be that nice to him if he (?thinks that he?) loves her with all his heart.

Your reaction is understandable as someone who cares, but you are also reacting on behalf of your family now. They are falling over themselves to help him and this silly girl and Keiron hardly appears grateful. Do you really expect a 16 year old boy to show much emotion? "Thanks" might be all he can manage, but if he ever comes to his senses, he'll realise just how fortunate he has been.

I feel that if they genuinely love each other, then they'll get by. It's easy to think perhaps that she is a manipulating cow, but if she genuinely loves him then she is perhaps doing just what she thinks is necessary to keep her "man" and whilst it may seem underhand and manipulative to you, if he loves her back then there isn't a problem. I suppose that the worst worry is that she not only breaks his heart, but in the process makes him feel like the stupid "boy" that you seem to think he is being.

I can only help to analyse it for you, but I can't tell you what to do. Perhaps disowning them is a good thing, but you seem so concerned that you will probably blame yourself if/when things go from bad to worse and regret not doing anything to help. At the moment, though, you are only causing yourself massive amounts of stress and to no avail it seems.

You seem to have a good life. It would be easy to say sod the lot of them and get on with it, but you care about your brother and you care about your family who seem to be doing all that they can to help this misguided boy, but they are trying to accept the situation and help, whereas he sees you as the enemy and the confrontations may only lead to more regrets even if/when he realises what has happened and leaves Charlotte.

At the end of the day, they are just kids. What worries me most is that neither of them seem to have much in the way of prospects, but at their age everything is in turmoil and one day they might just settle down and do OK- if it lasts that long. If it doesn't last long then these horrible few months can hopefully be put behind you all and for the sake of peace and quiet, forgotten.

All the best, Bish. Auntie t_k