In.

We need to band together as a large economic unit with one currency to try and keep on a par with China in the coming years.

Plus it means I won't have to faff about changing money to and fro for a couple of months a year.

Oh yes, me, me, me...

Yip, there's definitely a lot of that but that doesn't excuse some of the decisions, though I would still argue common sense is at a premium, primarily...

Ernie, you're not suggesting associating the words "common sense" with any form of politics are you?

Shame on you, shame indeed.

I know, that's why it's at a premium, it's still fighting 'joined up thinking'

Maybe we better have a face to face. To blue sky it whilst facillitating a forward looking, stakeholder interactive inclusion process!

I'm only touching base if it's out of the box and meaningful in this time of change and economic turbulence that I can of course see green shoots in.

Right, I'm off to fill out a few final expenses claims and to spend more time with my family as I campaign on green issues

i voted in
mainly because of the EU employment laws which would stop big business controlling the way Govt thinks and behaves and give greater protection to working people
a single currency across all member states along with a unified tax system and free movement of all people between those states …

So your predefining a workflow fiscal stimulas package, whilst simultaneously interacting with a cohesive societal unit as you bring along a cohesive decision in a ecothemed groupchoice.

IN

Very, very in.

The European Commission needs to die as does the CAP. However the US and UK are going down the toilet and if we don't un-fcuk ourselves rapid then the Chinese will gobble us up and spit out the bones.

Simples.

The concept, may or may not be a good one. Together we are stronger etc. Personally, I'm very pro minimal government intervention which, as a stance, general precludes continental government.

I have no interest in a pissing contest with China or anyone else. That's just economics and nature. It's BRIC countries now and the next 11 after them. And? Where I live was 100yrs ago one of the richest areas in the country if not the continent. Now it's one of the poorest. It's just the way things go. Things change. Having two governments is gay. If Europe is so bloody brilliant, let's join up and can Westminster.

Politics is broken. The EU is not the answer. Reform is.

Yip, that's it in a golden handshake



We'll have been overrun by Tesco by then. And that's only if Google hasn't already plugged us all into it's Matrix

In, any thing's got to be better than the current mess and Europe's great.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm an avowed socialist and so no amount of arguing will ever unite us.


Unfortunately we already are in a pissing contest with China..... .... and India and Russia and Brazil and Mexico and Japan and Turkey and Indonesia.......


Having more than one level of government is essential.

Neither purely local nor purely central government can ever hope to successfully address the needs of any town, county, country or group of countries.

It's not the government that costs money - it's all the crap that currently hangs off it such as the majority of the civil service.


I agree with you - oh how I agree with you. However reform will not come anytime soon and it makes no sense to hide in a cupboard whilst crossing our fingers.

I think in the long run we'd just wind up with the same type of idiots as we have now, only with even less power and sense than they have now

Yes because the usa, canada, china, india, brazil, australia and russia all have innefective governments don't they (!) Puh-lease.




Fair enough ye, not going to happen mind especially with a labour government that's fundamental policies centre around the mistrust of people's ability to control their own lives and themselves and think they can benefit people by adding controls like banning substances or adding management in masses to every government department until there are more chiefs than Indians.


1. Being governed by anyone is being governed by your peers and when we realise they are just as human as us: with some being corrupt, some incompetent, some greedy, some moral over being logical, some power hungry, nearly all self interested etc. Fallible is what people are and humans are all fallible. So when we elect a house of humans with all those above qualities above to rule and we suddenly come into uproar every time they [LIFTED] up. Take the expenses scandal MPs if their doing the job right works 10-12 hour days 6 days a week and get the same money for such large amounts of responsibility and stress as an unaccountable and unquestioned junior banker. So 62k for a job that is devoid of independent thinking due to the party that got you requires loyalty to and the media has a special arse hole tearing spike with your name on it for every time you show human qualities not much of a carrot for the original thinking elite competent minds of our time is it or even those with only one of those qualities. MPs can’t enjoy a fair salary for their work and instability of their job due to the media again working peoples short-termist and kneejerk reactionary thought process so about 20 years ago MPs expand the scope of their expenses instead because they can say well this is only usable for work related necessities where really they were just trying to inflate their wages indirectly.
What really gets my goat is that the media knew this (expenses) was going on, they have for years because if something juicy went on last week we’d know today, but they saved the scandal for when labour was at its weakest, the new majority of labour MPS had spawned into big fruity scandal trees with so many fallacious practises gathered that the story would be the gift that kept on giving for months therefore giving the media one of the biggest power thrusting ego blow jobs it has had in years.
2.This government under our constitution has every mandate to govern why not? Here is the process: general election called by royal prerogative 646 MPs are elected, whichever party is most able to govern (in labours case of having a clear majority) elects a leader who selects a cabinet. If the current leader voids his seat as prime minister another is elected by the party of our mandated representatives to lead the government. Brown was unchallenged as a candidate so effectively got 100% of the vote just because labours MPs are all spineless and almost matrix agent like dickless wonders doesn’t make that any less true. Just because personality and leadership seems to matter so much nowadays doesn’t mean that PMs are elected by the public
I admit though the system needs radical reform and the constitution changing but such claims that our government has no right to govern is just daily mailesque rhetoric for devaluing the government.
3.Do people realise that we have veto rights on all EU legislation and can reject any, the current representative MPs (however gimpish they may be) let it pass so it shall be. The EU isn’t the problem it is the UK government being sine/use-less that is. They do have the mandate as well to do that because our government again many year ago gave the eu a mandate to recommend their legislation.