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So again, what is it the appeal of iphone these days?


An app store that works?
I believe one of our own was bemoaning the Android system lately. Was it l3v1ck?

That is the only I can think of but it won't last long. Android hasn't been around for long (compared to iphone anyway) so that will change. Open source OS with Google behind it can't fail, can it?

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Open source OS with Google behind it can't fail, can it?


I'm sure it'll be very popular. :)

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So again, what is it the appeal of iphone these days?


An app store that works?
I believe one of our own was bemoaning the Android system lately. Was it l3v1ck?

Sort of. My only complaint was that you couldn't browse the apps from a normal webpage before you bought. You can only access them from an Android device.

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Apple did a great job at being first with the iphone but now that android is out I don't see any appeal in iphone (I never did tbh, I own a Blackberry). You will have all the apps you need for android phones and you will have tones of hardware to run it on. What can you run on iphone? Apple proprietary os that is under super thight control of fascist-like company.

So again, what is it the appeal of iphone these days?


Ooh that is quite a rant. (I like a good rant)

Is the Blackberry app store any more open than the Apple one?

Closed systems are so much better than open ones. I can't see the attraction of open stores myself. Don't they just fill up with porn and malware?

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So again, what is it the appeal of iphone these days?


An app store that works?
I believe one of our own was bemoaning the Android system lately. Was it l3v1ck?

Sort of. My only complaint was that you couldn't browse the apps from a normal webpage before you bought. You can only access them from an Android device.


Is/was that not true of apps. and iTunes (at least until recently)?

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Is the Blackberry app store any more open than the Apple one?

Hard to say, however number of apps are incomparable, apple wins hands down no doubt. However you have to realise that BBs are bought by entirely different group of people and for different purposes compared to iphone. Nobody buys a BB because of number of apps, Apps are very important on BB but not in terms of numbers of them. BBs are business tools, not toys for socialising.

I would love to have 100k+ apps available on BB myself but there are other more important factors to me and that is why I own a BB. However I can see how average Joe would be attracted to Android.

Also when I bought my BB, Android was not mature enough (and still isn't) so I decided to go with BB. However I can see myself having a massive dilema in a year's time when upgrading. There are some awesome devices available for Android already and I can imagine that maturity of the platform will be pretty good too. Momentum is growing for Android...

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Closed systems are so much better than open ones. I can't see the attraction of open stores myself. Don't they just fill up with porn and malware?

I don't know about that, Google did pull out some third party apps from the Android market already so it is not like anybody can publish anything they want. I don't know how strict they are but surely it is easier to develop apps for an open source OS rather than closed one. For example, Android will get Flash in the summer while it looks like iphone will never get it.
I agree with you on malware, I can see that being a problem in the future, hopefully Google will know how to address that.

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I don't know how strict they are but surely it is easier to develop apps for an open source OS rather than closed one.


With close to 200,000 applications in the store it can't be that hard to develop for iPhone/iPad

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For example, Android will get Flash in the summer while it looks like iphone will never get it.


Never? Why not? I thought Apple were just waiting for Adobe to bring out a client for the iPhone that did not destroy battery life or did not crash the phone.

Even on Android Flash kills battery big-time see this site

http://www.macgasm.net/2010/02/23/video ... nexus-one/

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The Nexus One plays a couple of games, and streams a couple of videos during an 8 minute period. How does the battery hold up? It seems like the battery goes from around 50% to about 25% by the seven minute mark of the video — a pretty big battery hit for 8 minutes of use.


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I agree with you on malware, I can see that being a problem in the future, hopefully Google will know how to address that.



It is a problem now. Google had to pull 50 applications that stole banking details from the phone. Hopefully Google will have a fix but till they do I won't go near an Android app.

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Our users are queuing up to switch from their old Blackberrys to the iPhone. The iPhone offers a friendlier interface to our Exchange server and calendar management.

But our users don't understand apps and most don't own a home computer so storage for music is also a non-issue, so we get them the basic phone.

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With close to 200,000 applications in the store it can't be that hard to develop for iPhone/iPad

I have never said it is hard to develop for iphone, I said it is easier to develop for open source. See the difference?

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Never? Why not? I thought Apple were just waiting for Adobe to bring out a client for the iPhone that did not destroy battery life or did not crash the phone.

From Hexus.net:
A clause in the terms and conditions of Apples newly previewed iPhone OS 4 SDK that appears to ban apps written on development platforms other than those approved by Apple has set the developer community alight over the weekend amid claims that it's needlessly restrictive.

more here: http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24181
And even if it wears down the battery, it is always better to have Flash should you want to use. Would you not prefer to have Flash on Iphone even if it kills your battery? I think it is always better to have the option...

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It is a problem now. Google had to pull 50 applications that stole banking details from the phone. Hopefully Google will have a fix but till they do I won't go near an Android app.

You can't exactly blame Google for malware, surely. Do you blame Microsoft for viruses on Windows too? Reasonable person knows not to download everything available. It is open source after all and I am sure that malware is unavoidable. However I don't deny that apple's os is safer in this case.

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I've got one and have seen a few people with them on my course... Then again my course is computing and management ^_^

My last degree was music, where the dominant phone is the iPhone.

Go figure ^_^


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Would you not prefer to have Flash on Iphone even if it kills your battery? I think it is always better to have the option...


No, I wouldn't.

I believe that Apple are trying to get the best user experience for it's customers. If it won't allow buggy battery sucking code onto it's products that is fine by me. Let Adobe write some code that is up to standard like all the other developers do. Why should this one outfit get a pass?

It is no different from Microsoft with their X Box platform. They won't let any old Tom Dick or Harry knock up code for it will they? Closed systems FTW.
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It is no different from Microsoft with their X Box platform. They won't let any old Tom Dick or Harry knock up code for it will they? Closed systems FTW.
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Personally I don't like multinationals dictating what I can and can't do with my device. But hey, I run Linux and Android, so I would think that...

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Personally I don't like multinationals dictating what I can and can't do with my device. But hey, I run Linux and Android, so I would think that...


Horses for courses.

I am o.k. with manufactures of complicated kit keeping the bad guys and idiots out. I am also o.k. with people who like to build their own.

If you want to build your own computer, tv or car from bits and then add your own software then great. I don't think you can expect manufactures of "branded" devices to allow you to sully their reputation by having their badge on your machine though. (not that you would do that).

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Would you not prefer to have Flash on Iphone even if it kills your battery? I think it is always better to have the option...

No, I wouldn't.

I believe that Apple are trying to get the best user experience for it's customers. If it won't allow buggy battery sucking code onto it's products that is fine by me.

Ok, an idea here: What if iphone had Flash plugin :shock:
And this is the crazy bit: What if some people that don't like Flash would not install it. Or even better, there would be an option to disable it...

That's how OSes usually work. Like if you don't want Flash on Windows you don't have to have it... Crazy, I know!!!!
But I know what you mean: Think different!!!

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Ok, an idea here: What if iphone had Flash plugin :shock:
And this is the crazy bit: What if some people that don't like Flash would not install it. Or even better, there would be an option to disable it...

That's how OSes usually work. Like if you don't want Flash on Windows you don't have to have it... Crazy, I know!!!!
But I know what you mean: Think different!!!


But that is not how a closed system works.

Your Flash plugin will arrive IF Adobe writes one that works well on the iPhone.

In the meantime sites all over the internet are dropping Flash for a newer technology that works well on all devices not just on those that have the computing power of GCHQ.

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