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This is not the first Android phone. So this is Samsung saying "ooh look I have an Android too". This is not a significant advance on Android either. So how are Samsung going to market it?

On features? On innovative design? On styling?


Erm actually it is.

It's the first Hummingbird processor mobile phone with a dedicated GPU inside, and as such it's capable of processing high def video

Also first to have a Super-AMOLED screen :)

Samsung already had the original Galaxy so it's not their first Android phone either CC :)

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My point is that nobody much cares. I am sure it is a nice phone, I am equally sure that the number of column inches the press will give it will be fairly minimal. It is a "me too" Android phone. There will be another one along in a minute. They could compare it to the G1 or the Droid or the Nexus One, but they don't. They could compare it to a Nokia or a Blackberry (both market best sellers) but they don't.


They HAVE compared it to the Nexus One/Desire, just look at the reviews. They are aiming for the customers that would get an iPhone as there are more to target than the current Android market.

Nokia aren't a market best seller in terms of smartphone OS, RIM are with the blackberry as is Winmo, but they are aiming at the big guns.

Seems silly that the general iOS user finds the 'I'm a PC/Mac' ads funny (I found they were to start.... then they got repetitive and ended up beating a dead donkey for jokes) yet a subtle joke like Samsung's 'isn't funny' (this is the same on other forums)

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* Samsung Galaxy S has excellent contrast and sharper definition. The blacks are darker. (with a camera normalized for this display screen)
* iPhone 4 appears to have less color than Samsung Galaxy S

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My point is that nobody much cares.

You mean apple users don't care :roll:

Android is a platform is growing and having options as to which device to buy is great and it will only make android stronger. Competition is going to drive the growth of the entire smartphone market and users will only benefit from it. You will benefit too as I am sure apple will try even harder now. A don't tell me it is a bad thing...

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My point is that nobody much cares.
You mean apple users don't care :roll:
Why would anyone care? Once someone has made the decision and bought whatever 'phone they have people don't need to care.
If you own an Android 'phone so what? If you own an iPhone, so what? If you own any other kind of 'phone so what?
I can't help but think this is all academic.
Samsung is targeting Apple because those users who had problems with their handsets made a loud noise about it.
Apple has proven that the signal issue doesn't just cause problems for the iPhone, but because iPhone users were the most vocal about the problem Samsung targets that handset. If people take Samsung up on the offer so what?
I personally don't think it's desperation on the part of Samsung, but it is cheap and easy advertising for them : target the worlds fastest selling smartphone and get cheap publicity from it.
No, it's not desperate, but it is very cheap.
At least the "I'm a Mac" adverts had creativity about them (I don't think you can reasonably deny that, even if you didn't particularly like the campaign). There's no real creativity about saying to someone "Hey, wanna swap 'phones?".

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Waffles. Tasty, tasty waffles.

I don't much care for waffles. Now a potato cake with honey that is the way a breakfast should go.

I didn't. I like belgian waffles. It does require I borrow the waffle-maker though. I think it's in France at present though :(

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ChurchCat wrote:
This is not the first Android phone. So this is Samsung saying "ooh look I have an Android too". This is not a significant advance on Android either. So how are Samsung going to market it?

On features? On innovative design? On styling?


Erm actually it is.


No, it is Android running on a phone with improved tech specs.

Again I am sure it is a very nice phone. It may even be the best hardware ever to run the Android OS. There will be another "me too" coming out next week that will also run Android and also will have some stepping up of the tech spec. I don't think many people will care. I don't think Samsung think that many will care. Hence these new adverts with no mention of them.

How do Android phone makers make their devices stand out from the crowd? They all look the same, they all do the same.

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Nokia aren't a market best seller in terms of smartphone OS, RIM are with the blackberry as is Winmo, but they are aiming at the big guns.



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My point is that nobody much cares.
You mean apple users don't care :roll:
Why would anyone care? Once someone has made the decision and bought whatever 'phone they have people don't need to care.
If you own an Android 'phone so what? If you own an iPhone, so what? If you own any other kind of 'phone so what?
I can't help but think this is all academic.

I think you misunderstood. I don't mean that I care what phone somebody has, I mean that I care what phones and platforms are available and what they can offer me.

I have a Blackberry but that doesn't mean I don't care about anything else. I closely follow android scene, I am very interested in what Windows will bring and I even read and watched reviews of the iphone4g. That way I can choose what is best for me and I can advise my friends who often ask me for an opinion on these matters. It would be silly just to focus on one platform and buy blindly whatever comes up on it when my next upgrade is up...

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It would be silly just to focus on one platform and buy blindly whatever comes up on it when my next upgrade is up...
Of course it would.
Is it now time for you to upgrade? Do you have an iPhone 4 that you could swap for one of these devices that you mentioned in the OP?

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Is it now time for you to upgrade? Do you have an iPhone 4 that you could swap for one of these devices that you mentioned in the OP?

No and no.

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With the exception of the Maemo (Linux) phones, very few nokias are classed as smartphones by modern standards in terminology, by definition they may be but not by consumer perception.

The "me too" thing is silly tbh as you are using the view that each device is as good as the other, don't forget that until the iPhone 4, the 3GS was technically inferior to the majority of high end smartphones, including RAM, onboard resolution, wireless capabilities. At least Android device manufacturers are pushing more powerful devices to consumers. Just because 2 phones run the same OS doesn't mean that they are the same. Considering IIRC you mentioned buying an iPhone 4g your argument is pretty moot considering the 3GS runs iOS4 too :roll:

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The "me too" thing is silly tbh as you are using the view that each device is as good as the other,


Well, it seems to me that every manufacture wants a touch screen phone these days. It also seems that they all want an Android phone in their stable so that they can say "we have one too".

They all do pretty much the same thing don't they? The tech specs vary a bit but can the Galaxy do stuff that no other Android phone can?

:?

If so why not advertise that instead of giving their phones away for nothing?



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don't forget that until the iPhone 4, the 3GS was technically inferior to the majority of high end smartphones, including RAM, onboard resolution, wireless capabilities.


Careful you will get told off for going off topic again.

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The "me too" thing is silly tbh as you are using the view that each device is as good as the other,


Well, it seems to me that every manufacture wants a touch screen phone these days. It also seems that they all want an Android phone in their stable so that they can say "we have one too".

They all do pretty much the same thing don't they? The tech specs vary a bit but can the Galaxy do stuff that no other Android phone can?

:?

Well as you must have missed the super amoled, dedicated gpu and ability to play HD content smoothly (all of which are mentioned) depending on OS, yes or no. Exactly the same as the iPhone, in fact the iPhone 4G can't even do everything the Android devices can, your argument mirrors perfectly to the typical "late to the party, must stand out" approach Apple take, considering their half arsed attempt at multi tasking took this long.

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If so why not advertise that instead of giving their phones away for nothing?

Because it's easy to capitalise on the work Apple have done shooting themselves in the foot, it's a topic people know about and recognise.

Orange found this out the hard way a couple of years back when they had a HUGE TV advertising campaign, and didn't think to set up the keyword promotion for their SEO. As a result another well known mobile carrier took out the SEO that was needed and took >60% of the competition on a few hundred $'s worth of search engine optimisation.

Why put all the hard work in when it's easier to make yourself look better by comparison? It's what Apple do all the time.

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don't forget that until the iPhone 4, the 3GS was technically inferior to the majority of high end smartphones, including RAM, onboard resolution, wireless capabilities.


Careful you will get told off for going off topic again.

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I'm not the one who is talking about being unable to differentiate products on an OS when all the 'competition' has is what colour and what size hard drive, and what colour bumper do you want for it

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