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Rhythmic gymnastics is something men don't compete in. Heptathlon I'm guessing is the other as men have the decathlon instead...

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You could say dressage is included to give rich people and royalty a chance of winning gold.

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You could say dressage is included to give rich people and royalty a chance of winning gold.

That's more true of rowing, statistically, insofar as there are more medals available from rowing than riding. Look at it this way, the Olympic rowing competition has been taking place at a private school's rowing lake...

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Netherlands currently beating GB 9-2 in the hockey. I guess that's the end of that then.


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Family of man who won silver at the triple jump in the 1948 London Olympics scatter his ashes over the track and pit.

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The US relay team made the final with one of their runners breaking their leg! :shock:

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Yes but the horse hasn't volunteered.

While training can take things so far, my experience is no amount of training will get an animal to do something it simply doesn't want to do, at least not without levels of physical coercion that simply aren't allowed in the Olympic riding events. Horses can and do refuse to do what their rider tells them to do in show jumping and dressage more than occasionally.

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And indeed, China's system in particular of producing gymnasts is on very shaky moral ground.

Well, Chinas attitude to individual freedoms is a whole bigger issue.


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Yes but the horse hasn't volunteered.


I hope you take equal issue with any sport where an animal is used - as they all use forms of control and coercion that you would not apply to a fellow human being.

Dressage is probably the least cruel form of horse riding that I can think of. The aim is to control the horse through a series of moves, walks, trots and canters using minimal prompts from the riders. You aren't supposed to use verbal commands - not even making clicks.

As observed elsewhere, if a horse does not want to do something, it won't. You see this a lot in eventing and show jumping. You may see it in dressage, but I'd surmise that a leisurely prance around a quiet arena is less stressful than charging around a field jumping fences and hurdles.

I have mixed feelings about using horses for motive power, entertainment and competition. I've ridden in the last, as well as having a go at driving a horse and cart (which I enjoyed - but I like driving things). A lot of the devices used - bits, especially - are horrific metal things. However, there are bridals which have no bits at all, and they do get used from time to time. It really depends on the temperament of the horse.

And for anyone who is concerned, between events - show jumping, cross country, dressage - the horses are thoroughly checked by by vets to ensure that they in good health. If not, the horse won't be allowed to continue.


I completely agree with these comments. Jon have you ridden too? I have done a lot of riding in Hertfordshire and also done trekking in Wales. During the trips to Wales I ended up with 2 of the most difficult horses. One was a wind sucker so I was constantly pulling him off the fences when we tethered and the other liked biting other horses so I had to hang back with the slow ones in the group so he didn't have the chance to bite. They are amazing animals with different personalities and have minds of their own!

I'm wondering if the people against dressage are riders or have never been near a horse?

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I'm wondering if the people against dressage are riders or have never been near a horse?


I've ridden, had a girlfriend who rode (her horse had big issues with another fella hanging around :lol: ), niece used to ride.

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I've ridden, had a girlfriend who rode (her horse had big issues with another fella hanging around :lol: ), niece used to ride.


lol

Took one of my ex boyfriends trekking in Wales. He had never ridden before. Somehow he didn't spot a tree branch crossing his path and got knocked straight off the horse. I did laugh... lots :lol:

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I've nothing against sports related to horses and have ridden very little. However I feel that it doesn't belong in the Olympics. To me the Olympics is about personal athletic achievement, not powered by some other means. What next, engines on canoes or bicycles, springs on jumpers or runners. Oh wait...

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I've nothing against sports related to horses and have ridden very little. However I feel that it doesn't belong in the Olympics. To me the Olympics is about personal athletic achievement, not powered by some other means. What next, engines on canoes or bicycles, springs on jumpers or runners. Oh wait...


TBH I'm waiting for countries to enter bears in the wrestling and chimpanzees for the rings in the gymnastics. And a dolphin in the 10k outdoors swimming.

Wonder if there are any animals that are good at throwing things...

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Wonder if there are any animals that are good at throwing things...


Orangutans?

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Wonder if there are any animals that are good at throwing things...


Archer Fish
Chameleon
Cone Snails

I'm sure that's the tip of the iceberg.

Whales and dolphins use bubbles to hunt, trap and devour prey. If only they would do that in the synchronised swimming pool.

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I'm wondering if the people against dressage are riders or have never been near a horse?

Those stressed out "problem" horses are rehabilitated by my cousin, their problems (caused by the owner) are a result of people thinking they know about horses, but have no idea about horse language. Horses communicate with body language, do you know what a horse is saying? I've not only ridden, I've guided horses without touching them (thanks to my cousin's expert training). My aunty has 20 years experience as a stable hand and horse sculptor, she knows absolutely everything there is to know about horse physiology, and let me tell you that every UK based "horsey" magazine contains wrong information.

People strap antiquated metal bars into a horse's mouth, wrap its head in leather and yank it in directions and think they are controlling the horse. It's the equivalent of driving a car and thinking you know how it was made.

To enjoy dressage is to enjoy watching animals put in unnatural stress positions. As humans we should learn to control the horse using its language, and not force it to do something that, despite that [LIFTED] that gets spouted by every "horse lover" it does not want to do.

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jonlumb wrote:
Wonder if there are any animals that are good at throwing things...


Archer Fish
Chameleon
Cone Snails

I'm sure that's the tip of the iceberg.

Whales and dolphins use bubbles to hunt, trap and devour prey. If only they would do that in the synchronised swimming pool.


I would soooo watch the Synchronised Swimming if they added an Orca or something similar to the pool. That would make it much more entertaining.

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