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ION, MS need to sort out Outlook, formerly Hotmail. What is that company's obsession with fcuking that up every few months?

What is the problem with it? It is working fine for me. :?


It's running pretty poorly here. It's like the redraw times have halved, which is impressive for what should be a page with some text in it.
It runs like a dog.

Loading instantly here (Vaio laptop and Firefox 19.2)

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Modern compilers for languages such as C++ are pretty clever at producing optimised code. It's often said that trying to hand-optimise in assembler is likely to produce less efficient code than leaving it to the compiler. We are aided by large libraries of efficiently coded solutions to many problems which the compiler intelligently includes, eliminating unused code. We also have WYSIWYG graphical design environments that let you create the GUI without writing a single line of code.

It's been a very long time now since the best way to code was with a text editor.

Is the same now true in web design? If not, why not?

Because most of the Web editors put in tonnes of cruft that aren't needed. I hand wrote some code and stuffed it into our newsletter system it stuffed another 4K of text around what I had coded (under 2K) and it made no difference to the way it is displayed!

Talking of optimisation, we used to run VAX systems, our main computing site had a couple of dozen VAXs lined up. A rival company turned up and installed a test machine (2 containers full of components). They also installed a test program on it and gave us the FORTRAN source code to compile on the VAX. They told us to turn on all the optimisation flags that the VAX support. They then told us to call them the following Monday, when their machine would have finished with the calculations, the VAX would need another few days to complete the calculations.

By the time the sales rep was back in his office that afternoon, there was a message for him to call us back. The VAX was finished with the problem, their machine was still running.

It turns out that the optimiser on the VAX had looked at the code, which generated a huge array, filled it with random numbers, performed calculations on the array and stopped. The optimiser worked out that there was no input into the program and there was no output out of the program, so it optimised the generation of the array, the filling it with numbers and calculations out of the program, in the end it took less than a second to complete. Their machine did take until the next Monday to finish! :lol:

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Like Alex said, and sometimes that's the short version... Buggy as all hell, crashes mobile browsers like you wouldn't believe, and consistently needs refreshed after locking up randomly. I've genuinely never seen anything like it :shock:

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I need an entry for this month's photo comp. :shock:

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...It's been a very long time now since the best way to code was with a text editor.

Is the same now true in web design? If not, why not?

Because most of the Web editors put in tonnes of cruft that aren't needed...

I know. The question is; why?!

Surely web design is such a huge business now that someone would have come up with a decent "compiler" and development environment.

I mostly use a text editor. I rarely use libraries such as jquery. But then I mostly write HTML pages which are trivial, so dealing with the "raw code" is easy. If I took on a complex project, then things would be very different indeed... and I would be out of my depth very quickly.

I currently have over 100 variations of jquery in my browser cache. I wonder how much of that code is redundant. I suspect it's over 99%.

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Surely web design is such a huge business now that someone would have come up with a decent "compiler" and development environment.

Most web designers are designers not programmers. They don't think like programmers. I suspect the majority don't give a flying one how elegant of efficient their 'source code' is provided it looks right in a browser.


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Surely web design is such a huge business now that someone would have come up with a decent "compiler" and development environment.

Most web designers are designers not programmers. They don't think like programmers. I suspect the majority don't give a flying one how elegant of efficient their 'source code' is provided it looks right in a browser.

And hence we end up with non-compliant sites that break easily and take ages to load, as well as being a nightmare to maintain.

Surely if there was a development platform that lead to the rapid deployment of fast, efficient and reliable websites then even a "designer" would see the merit in that?

Honestly, the answer I was expecting was "There is - if you pay £x you can get y which does just that". Since there are many different types of websites and platforms, then I'd expect more than one solution to match more than one problem... What I wasn't expecting was "no one cares" as an answer :(

And if you read publications such as .net then it's clear that some designers do care. There's even a load of buzz words associated with efficient and elegant design practices. There are also lots of tools such as requirejs to help with optimisation... but seemingly no development platform?

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Well, a designer should care about code optimisation, in the same way a programmer should know about good HI practices.

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Articles that say 'on-trend' without being ironic need new writers. If I want that [LIFTED] I'll read the newspapers that are increasingly becoming women's magazines :roll:

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The Gadget Show has gotten even worse :o

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Like Alex said, and sometimes that's the short version... Buggy as all hell, crashes mobile browsers like you wouldn't believe, and consistently needs refreshed after locking up randomly. I've genuinely never seen anything like it :shock:


And now I'm being asked if I want to continue what with their security certificate... Once I get a few emails back I'm waiting on, I'm gonna group all my emails into conversations so I don't forget anyone/anything and have everything sent to my Gmail account from now on. Bye bye Outlook :twisted:

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The Gadget Show has gotten even worse :o

The 'future science' one? Some of the things on it were quite interesting - the 3D stuff for one - but Jason Bradbury dressed as morph isn't something I ever wanted to see.


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The Gadget Show has gotten even worse :o

The 'future science' one? Some of the things on it were quite interesting - the 3D stuff for one - but Jason Bradbury dressed as morph isn't something I ever wanted to see.


That's my problem with that show - some of the content is great, but the presentation makes it almost unwatchable!

If they're not high-fiving each other, it's vox pops and 'I couldn't give a fcuk' races that tell you nothing about the 'gadget' :(

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