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big_D
What's a life?
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Loading instantly here (Vaio laptop and Firefox 19.2)
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:34 pm |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Because most of the Web editors put in tonnes of cruft that aren't needed. I hand wrote some code and stuffed it into our newsletter system it stuffed another 4K of text around what I had coded (under 2K) and it made no difference to the way it is displayed! Talking of optimisation, we used to run VAX systems, our main computing site had a couple of dozen VAXs lined up. A rival company turned up and installed a test machine (2 containers full of components). They also installed a test program on it and gave us the FORTRAN source code to compile on the VAX. They told us to turn on all the optimisation flags that the VAX support. They then told us to call them the following Monday, when their machine would have finished with the calculations, the VAX would need another few days to complete the calculations. By the time the sales rep was back in his office that afternoon, there was a message for him to call us back. The VAX was finished with the problem, their machine was still running. It turns out that the optimiser on the VAX had looked at the code, which generated a huge array, filled it with random numbers, performed calculations on the array and stopped. The optimiser worked out that there was no input into the program and there was no output out of the program, so it optimised the generation of the array, the filling it with numbers and calculations out of the program, in the end it took less than a second to complete. Their machine did take until the next Monday to finish! 
_________________ "Do you know what this is? Hmm? No, I can see you do not. You have that vacant look in your eyes, which says hold my head to your ear, you will hear the sea!" - Londo Molari
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:44 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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Like Alex said, and sometimes that's the short version... Buggy as all hell, crashes mobile browsers like you wouldn't believe, and consistently needs refreshed after locking up randomly. I've genuinely never seen anything like it 
_________________Plain English advice on everything money, purchase and service related:
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:46 pm |
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HeatherKay
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm Posts: 7262 Location: Here, but not all there.
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I need an entry for this month's photo comp. 
_________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter. "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:05 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Staying awake until I get home.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:39 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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I know. The question is; why?!Surely web design is such a huge business now that someone would have come up with a decent "compiler" and development environment. I mostly use a text editor. I rarely use libraries such as jquery. But then I mostly write HTML pages which are trivial, so dealing with the "raw code" is easy. If I took on a complex project, then things would be very different indeed... and I would be out of my depth very quickly. I currently have over 100 variations of jquery in my browser cache. I wonder how much of that code is redundant. I suspect it's over 99%.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:52 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Most web designers are designers not programmers. They don't think like programmers. I suspect the majority don't give a flying one how elegant of efficient their 'source code' is provided it looks right in a browser.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:20 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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And hence we end up with non-compliant sites that break easily and take ages to load, as well as being a nightmare to maintain. Surely if there was a development platform that lead to the rapid deployment of fast, efficient and reliable websites then even a "designer" would see the merit in that? Honestly, the answer I was expecting was "There is - if you pay £x you can get y which does just that". Since there are many different types of websites and platforms, then I'd expect more than one solution to match more than one problem... What I wasn't expecting was "no one cares" as an answer  And if you read publications such as .net then it's clear that some designers do care. There's even a load of buzz words associated with efficient and elegant design practices. There are also lots of tools such as requirejs to help with optimisation... but seemingly no development platform?
_________________jonbwfc's law: "In any forum thread someone will, no matter what the subject, mention Firefly." When you're feeling too silly for x404, youRwired.net
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:30 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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Well, a designer should care about code optimisation, in the same way a programmer should know about good HI practices.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:35 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Must gut and clean 3 Red Snapper. 1 for dinner and two for the freezer. 
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:57 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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Articles that say 'on-trend' without being ironic need new writers. If I want that [LIFTED] I'll read the newspapers that are increasingly becoming women's magazines 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:03 am |
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pcernie
Legend
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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The Gadget Show has gotten even worse 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:31 am |
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pcernie
Legend
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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And now I'm being asked if I want to continue what with their security certificate... Once I get a few emails back I'm waiting on, I'm gonna group all my emails into conversations so I don't forget anyone/anything and have everything sent to my Gmail account from now on. Bye bye Outlook 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:45 pm |
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jonbwfc
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The 'future science' one? Some of the things on it were quite interesting - the 3D stuff for one - but Jason Bradbury dressed as morph isn't something I ever wanted to see.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:14 pm |
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pcernie
Legend
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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That's my problem with that show - some of the content is great, but the presentation makes it almost unwatchable! If they're not high-fiving each other, it's vox pops and 'I couldn't give a fcuk' races that tell you nothing about the 'gadget' 
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