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jonlumb
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It's probably worth adding that Lord Pannick QC has stated that legally it looks like activating Article 50 is going to require an Act of Parliament because it will require repeal of the 1972 Act, which a PM cannot do.
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l3v1ck
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Given that most MP's are Pro Europe, how is that going to happen?
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jonbwfc
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It comes down to a question of pressure. MPs may not want to vote to enable Brexit (and in our form of democracy, they don't have to) but the press & etc who are very in favour of it will pressure them to follow 'the will of the people'. So it's basically about how secure MPs feel about ignoring the referendum result.
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davrosG5
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Yeah, the Commons, despite being on the whole pro-EU are unlikely to go against the expressed will of the electorate, especially if the actual vote comes close to a general election.
It could get interesting if it has to pass the House of Lords right enough but if they look like stalling it then the commons can invoke the Parliament act to push it through anyway.
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paulzolo
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Gove won't trigger A50 this year. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.breitb ... nt=safari#Do you see how this is going now?
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paulzolo
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If Guido Fawkes is correct, Nigel Farage could be the latest casualty of the referendum. http://order-order.com/2016/07/01/farag ... ed-monday/Also, the BBC used the word "Brexecuted" to describe what happened to Boris.
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big_D
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Time for them to stop procrastinating. They have to lay their plans for exit before the EU in September... 
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paulzolo
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They don’t have to do anything. The EU can’t force the issue. It’s an advisory referendum - so they’ve got the opinion of the people, but not an instruction. People don”t see the difference. There’s no legal requirement for them to follow this through, nor is there a requirement in EU law. As someone commented on Twitter today, a lot of businesses make a large chunk of the tier money in the months before Christmas. Starting exit negotiations in that time won”t help them one bit. Far better to trigger anything after that time. And the longer they leave it, the less likely it is to happen. We’ll end up in the EEA anyway, so nothing much will change in that respect. Right now, the party in power is bickering about who should wield ultimate power. Nothing will happen - even serious planning - before that’s resolved.
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jonlumb
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Out of interest, where did you get that idea from?
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MrStevenRogers
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 Article 50 ...  | | | | Quote: 1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49. | | | | |
any EU nation can invoke article 50. when is down to that nation that wishes to invoke it. the EU and all EU councils have no say about the when, where why or any time period that the nation invoking article 50 has to place A50 before the EU. but we are on new ground i would invoke it as soon as we have a stable Govt. even if that means a GE which i hope we do ...
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big_D
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N24 TV ticker, but the sound is off in the lounge at work, so just the scrolling headline. Looking at the news sites, it looks like it was that the EU will meet, without the UK in September to talk about how the EU will reform itself, without the UK. Either I misread the ticker or n24 had put up the wrong information when it was first announced - not unheard of.
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paulzolo
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Professor Michael Dougan assesses UK’s position following vote to leave the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI
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jonbwfc
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If Article 50 hasn't been triggered by that point it probably isn't going to be. And yes yes, 'will of the people' and all that but the bare fact is Parliament has ignored the will of the people on various issues (e.g. capital punishment) for years, so they certainly can this time.
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paulzolo
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Not only that, but "will of the people" is not always going to be in the national interest. The government has to balance a lot of things, one of which will be cost - what will it cost to actually negotiate our way out of the EU, and in to all the trade deals that we'll need to replace them, that's before all the legislative re-working that would need to be done. It might just be cheaper to remain, and with the economy as it is right now, it may be the best move to do nothing.
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davrosG5
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Brexit: Set out positives of leaving, Boris Johnson urgesOh do [LIFTED] off you massive bell end. I mean, I wasn't necessarily expecting any better but it's a bit rich for the ostensible former leader of the Leave campaign to complain about this. That was his job but they apparently didn't do any planning for the event that they might actually win and now they expect someone else to have done the work for them and kick off about it when it turns out that nobody knows the answer. In other news, Farage is stepping down as the leader of UKIP... again. I wonder how long he'll let it stick this time before 'reluctantly' coming back. Probably when it turns out that we can't trade freely with the EU without accepting the free movement of people.
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