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Who Folds? 

Do you fold?
Yes 42%  42%  [ 15 ]
No 33%  33%  [ 12 ]
What's folding@home 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
pie 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
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The SMP2 cores will be out soon and may well use it. If you've got an 8 core mac pro then you can crunch the new bigadv units which if you finish them in 3 days are worth 50,000 points. Fast i7's running Linux can also run them.



How "fast" an i7??

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I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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Also, will the OS X client be modified any time soon to take advantage of GCD? Or is there no need/already implemented?

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The SMP2 cores will be out soon and may well use it. If you've got an 8 core mac pro then you can crunch the new bigadv units which if you finish them in 3 days are worth 50,000 points. Fast i7's running Linux can also run them.

In my Extra Parameters box I currently have:
-smp

Should I have that? And should I add -bigadv too?


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saspro wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
Also, will the OS X client be modified any time soon to take advantage of GCD? Or is there no need/already implemented?

Ben


The SMP2 cores will be out soon and may well use it. If you've got an 8 core mac pro then you can crunch the new bigadv units which if you finish them in 3 days are worth 50,000 points. Fast i7's running Linux can also run them.

In my Extra Parameters box I currently have:
-smp

Should I have that? And should I add -bigadv too?


You need the modified core from here
You need the lines. -smp 8 -bigadv
you can add -verbosity 9 to the end as well if you want more indepth info.

You will also need a passkey registered for your username & to have completed 10 normal smp units with that passkey.

The WU's are worth 25000 points but if you complete them in 3 days or less you get a 100% bonus.

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jonlumb wrote:
I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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I can set up an X404 team but it'd be just for the good of the cause, there's no way we could challenge the big teams for points as there are some big hitters out there. The CPC team is now hitting over 3million points a day.
We could get everyone to fold under a single username (under team 35947), that way we could see how many points we'd produce & quite probably get featured in the magazine which is great advertising for this site.
If you fold using x404.co.uk as the username & 35947 as the team it could be interesting.

I have added one of my machines to the x404 user stats.

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I did a unit once but the rig I was using was so decrepit that the power use per unit wasn't really justifiable at the time.

One question that I've not found an answer to, do any companies actually profit (moneywise) from all of this free numbercrunching? I'm thinking of Pharmaceutical companies in particular.

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I did a unit once but the rig I was using was so decrepit that the power use per unit wasn't really justifiable at the time.

Yes but I have one machine on all the time for other tasks so it was not really a problem.

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adidan wrote:
One question that I've not found an answer to, do any companies actually profit (moneywise) from all of this free numbercrunching? I'm thinking of Pharmaceutical companies in particular.


The results are made freely available AFAIK to anyone who wants them. Nobody makes any money from it as once a cure is in the open a drugs company wouldn't have an exclusive product.

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jonlumb wrote:
I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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The results are made freely available AFAIK to anyone who wants them. Nobody makes any money from it as once a cure is in the open a drugs company wouldn't have an exclusive product.

I shall have to have another goosey, I may have some old kit that's not so decrepit that I could get running. I'll have to look to see how their research has been used.

I presume, from what you say, it's open to the world scientific community rather than being kept with the domain of the US and associated companies.

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jonlumb wrote:
I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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I see two people have asked what folding is and I can't see any replies so I ain't gonna ask.

I answered pie!

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I see two people have asked what folding is and I can't see any replies so I ain't gonna ask.

I answered pie!



Our goal: to understand protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases

What is protein folding?
Proteins are biology's workhorses -- its "nanomachines." Before proteins can carry out these important functions, they assemble themselves, or "fold." The process of protein folding, while critical and fundamental to virtually all of biology, in many ways remains a mystery.

Protein folding is linked to disease, such as Alzheimer's, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers
Moreover, when proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes.

You can help scientists studying these diseases by simply running a piece of software.
Folding@home is a distributed computing project -- people from throughout the world download and run software to band together to make one of the largest supercomputers in the world. Every computer takes the project closer to our goals. Folding@home uses novel computational methods coupled to distributed computing, to simulate problems millions of times more challenging than previously achieved.

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jonlumb wrote:
I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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umm :shock:

me and tech guys still cant really make sense of it :?

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umm :shock:

me and tech guys still cant really make sense of it :?



Basically instead of trying to build a massive supercomputer to crunch these numbers they farm it out to anybody who's got spare computer cycles available.
A bit like seti@home etc

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jonlumb wrote:
I've only ever done it with a chicken so far, but if required I wouldn't have any problems doing it with other animals at all.


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umm :shock:

me and tech guys still cant really make sense of it :?


From what I make of it, medical research has some big numbers to crunch. Rather than buying a huge machine and doing it themselves, they can pump bits of work out to you and me and others and we'll do the work for them. I do my little bit of work, and you do yours, and the rest of the forum does their bits of work. Then we send back the answers. The medical research folks get this work 'for free' and we feel like we've done something good.

As I understand it, there is then a whole points based system behind all this to make it all a little more fun and competitive. The more work you do for them, the more points you get.

The software dynamically adjusts itself so it's not in the way of anything your doing on your computer. If you're using 10% of your computers computational capabilities reading the BBC site, the software will use up the other 90%. If you suddenly need 90% of your system to recalculate a huge spreadsheet, the software will adjust itself to only use 10% of the system...

It's all a very interesting idea, and it's very interesting that such a thing has worked tbh...


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