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Chris Nolan is a fracking genius
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okenobi
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Please do keep us informed. On both fronts!
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:41 am |
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leeds_manc
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*********REVIEW - SPOILERS, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES READ THIS POST.**************
I'll keep you informed on both fronts just as long as one of those fronts doesn't end in a dismal metaphorical train crash. The film was cool, though it's much more simple than I've been led to believe, I mean there wasn't much mystery, they simply introduced a concept and then explained it 10 minutes later. What made the film interesting was the little cliffhangers such as "I've perfromed an inception before..." *silence* I like the way they self-referenced this tactic when Ealmes says "dammit I really wanted to see what happened in there". The whole film was like mini episodes of Lost, but it was saved by a slick style and the promise that actually everything will be explained, you just have to keep watching for the next couple of hours (not ten seasons). It's not a classic, it's not as intelligent as it thinks it is (I think it borrows heavily from Synedoche of New York, a much more unnerving, disturbing film), and the references to viral ideas were pretty superficial, as was the reference to the complete myth that we only use a fraction of our brain's capacity, seeing as it's all about dreams I didn't think I learned a single true fact about them, it's all based on popular, flawed scientific understanding, with 'scientific' concepts explained rather patronisingly and mostly u necessarily by po-faced Hollywood actors.
As far as the comparison with The Matrix, The Matrix wins hands down in nearly every department, it's simply much more fun. while Inception drip feeds cliffhangers in order to force you to keep watching during the slower wordier bits, The Matrix just straps you in and takes you on an adventure. Inception doesn't deserve its massive IMDB score, it's very good, just as The Dark Knight was good, but neither Nolan films are classics. He's an overrated director IMO.
7/10.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:09 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I'll agree with that, it's good but it's not 'genre-defining' or 'ground breaking' in anyway. Funnily enough, I watched The Matrix last night. I think it's become tainted by the sequels.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:21 pm |
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okenobi
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Let's just say I'm feeling optimistic and confident at the moment, so I'll offer you my support on that front Interesting take on the film. I've heard the Synedoche thing, but not seen it myself so couldn't comment.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:23 pm |
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pcernie
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I think Nolan gets a lot of hype because of so little competition - there's so few mainstream movies with thought and talent behind them these days. Re. The Matrix. I haven't watched the sequels for that very reason 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:42 pm |
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leeds_manc
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Ah cool, I thought mine was an original idea but I should no by now that they don't truly exist! 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:09 pm |
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okenobi
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Jeez, how much cooler could it possibly get to bash the Matrix sequels?!
They're different, but they blossom with repeat viewings and there's a lot more to think about in terms of metaphysics, philosophy and existential topics. Not to mention some literally epic sequences with hovercraft, mechs, machines and THAT freeway sequence.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:41 pm |
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pcernie
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Who was bashing them? 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:47 pm |
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timark_uk
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While I applaud your resilience in defending the very inferior sequels, a bunch of action sequences strung together does not, in themselves, make a good film. As far as I'm concerned, the sequence where Neo gets dragged away towards the end of the second sequel in an almost messianic pose is enough to ruin that whole film for me. It was unnecessary and overly condescending to the audience. I can watch sequences from the sequels and be impressed by them in their isolation, but the films on the whole didn't bring anything new to the mix, in my opinion. Mark
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:03 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Yes, they have all of the above, but as Jedi has it's Ewok celebration, so Reloaded has it's Zion rave. The sequels didn't bring that much new to the mix. Once you've grasped the ideas of the first one, there's not really much else to do, except spin it out for another two films. Maybe I need to sit down and watch the other two again.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:37 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Probably not too spoilerish. Inception scenes in Lego.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:05 pm |
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okenobi
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Agreed. Well I can't really argue that, as it's subjective. It takes a little more than a moment like that to ruin an entire film for me. I disagree Mark. They bring lots of new things to the mythology of The Matrix itself, the history of the future and how things in the year 2199 came to be, and open up avenues of thought that previously required one to study philosophy. That's why they're hated. The Matrix is more accessible, because it balances unique (at the time) cinematography, cyberpunk late 90s anti-authority aesthetic (which gets more relevant with every passing year), great cinema (in terms of action/adventure/romance etc.) and a fantastic story (allbeit one that is a little reminiscent of lots of other great movies). Where the sequels fall down is in not coherently glueing the same elements in the same balance. They bring new depth, but don't match it with a story that's gripping enough and they feel more like action sequences stuck together with lots of fascinating (but not to most people) dialogue. So, if you're not into understanding more about the symbiotic relationship between man and machine; Plato's allegory of the cave; our existence as a whole and our interaction and creation of the world around us; then granted - you won't be as into it and will merely see them as inferior sequels (which of course they are to the general movie-going public). But give those topics time to seep into your concious mind whilst watching and I think you'll find there's a lot more on offer and you'll find you can view Reloaded and Revolutions as slightly distinct from The Matrix and definitely different, but no less worthy of a spot on your shelf. Defence rests.
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:53 am |
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pcernie
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Did Leo Really Make $50 Million-Plus for Inception?Read more: http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/ask_the_ ... z0xLEuTKO8"Now that's how you do it in the big leagues, Johnson. You see an opening, you go for it!"
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:39 pm |
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leeds_manc
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The other front. It went well, very well indeed.  (in not a sleazy way). However there's soon to be thousands of miles of ocean between us so it's all up in the air at the moment for a while.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:39 pm |
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okenobi
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Been there. One of the biggest regrets of my life. (The other one was woman related too). Congrats for you man. On the plus side, at least you got that experience before she went if nothing else ION is nobody gonna contest or discuss my post above? AND has everybody seen this film now, and if not why not?
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:11 am |
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