It wouldn't, it would be a step backwards...

we wouldn't have to wait for the EU to do any deal or sanction such a deal with anyone outside the EU. we would do are own with anyone from anywhere regardless of any trade with the EU.

also trading with the EU with WTO means we only have to talk about a trade deal with anything or everything else off the table so no strings attached ...

who for the EU or the UK ?

as i see it trade with the EU has about 500 million people. trade with the world has about 6 billion people
where as a business would you place your business ...

For the UK. The trade with Europe is a lot more free than the WTO guidelines. Plus, despite the WTO, you still need to set up a trade agreement with each country, import and export agreements and tariffs. None of that is necessary, currently, when trading within the EU.

No import and export restrictions, no additional taxes. All of that falls away, if the open agreement for trading between EU countries is dropped and replaced by individual agreements with each country. That means more expensive products coming from Europe and your products in Europe will be more expensive and less competitive...

Not forgetting of course that the UK's membership in the WTO is, at present, handled via the EU so we'd need to leave the EU before applying to joining the WTO as an independent country which is a further set of negotiations that could take years:
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the agreements are easily sorted so no major headaches ...

i believe that we have already applied or reapplied to renew our membership ...

So, we haven't invoked article 50, but we've already applied for a UK only WTO membership?

we have applied so after the exit from the EU it can be used. forward planning i believe its called ...

Just in case article 50's two year time frame isn't enough?

That might be the most insanely delusional thing I've ever heard you say.

big_D isn't quite correct in his post; the UK would be negotiating with the remainder of the EU, and any agreement would need ratifying by each member state. That just took Canada 5 years, and is something the Swiss have been doing in an ongoing fashion for over 40.

Also, your comment about 500m people in the EU vs 6billion in the world. As a business, you'd far rather it wasn't either one or the other, you'd rather it were both groups of people. Which is what we have at the moment. Secondly, those 500m are generally wealthier than most of the rest of the 6b people on the planet, and are geographically speaking right next door. It makes the logistics and costs of moving physical goods about vastly easier, ditto things like business meetings etc.

We get that you hate the EU and cannot give any good reasons for that, but all you are doing with this nonsense about trade agreements being trivial is making yourself look spectacularly ignorant.

trade agreements between country's that wish to trade freely are very easy. making a trade agreement with the EU is hard if not impossible because the EU makes it that way. but i have no problem using WTO as a basic trade agreement with the EU as other nations outside the EU have already done so.

its a trade agreement not an agreement on anything else that the EU seem so keen to attach to any agreement regarding free trade with the 'single' market for the UK.
i am not looking at a agreement of free trade within the single market but an agreement to trade with the EU. reference China, USA and Russia as examples. i will let you do the home work ...

there will be no need to have 2 years as i believe we will be leaving the EU with a very quick and hard exit ...

You are forgetting, that for the trade agreement, many other things have to be taken into consideration. Like data protection. The UK data protection laws are currently out of alignment with EU regulations and things like RIPA have been rebuffed several times, because they are illagal. Even if the UK exits from the EU, in order to trade with EU countries, the data protection is still relevant - just look at the struggles the USA is having with Safe Harbor being declared invalid and the amount of information airlines having to turn over to US authorities also being declared illegal.

It has gone so far, that companies like Microsoft are opening up cloud data centers in Europe (Magdeburg and Frankfurt am Main in Germany as a first step). which are run by a European entity (T-Systems, a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom), which has administrative and phsyical access to the servers, but Microsoft don't have access to either the buildings or the data, without a valid EU search warrant and being accompanied by T-Systems officials. This makes it possible for Microsoft to offer cloud services in Europe to European businesses.

That is a huge plus for Microsoft, compared to Amazon's AWS, Google' Cloud, Oracle etc. who rely on the framework agreement (not rejected by EU courts, but has no stronger case for acceptance than the already defunct Safe Harbor) or the replacement for Safe Harbor, which also doesn't seem to have a legal leg to stand on.

If the UK leaves, it will still need to ensure that any data about EU nationals are held to EU standards, which is not possible if the UK has weaker data protection laws than EU requirements (which is currently the case anyway, which is why the UK is constantly being taken to task, for invading their citizens' privacy more than is legally allowed). Given that a large number of successful UK businesses are in the data storage and processing market, that makes it almost untenable to be able to continue business with Europe, which either means they will no longer be able to do business with Europe, or they will need to move over to the mainland (or to Ireland, which being an EU state and largely an English speaking land, would probably be the easier option for most businesses).

Interestingly, Microsoft have just opened a cloud data centre in the UK.


Why? If the UK is beyond EU legislative control, what are the EU going to do? The EU trades data with many nations that don't hold it it's standards already - the US, for one obvious example. The large majority of the middle and far east. And it trades with Russia and China despite both of those being if anything actively hostile to the EU in data security terms. There will probably be an incentive for EU businesses to keep their data inside the EU, but I see no mechanism by which the EU could enforce their standards upon anyone else. I doubt very much the EU could get a law passed that criminalised simply passing data outside the EU, there are way too many EU countries that rely on non-EU data processing centres. That why the safe harbour and etc agreements were created in the first place. The EU parliament may well think they can stop data leakage outside the EU, but the reality is they simply can't.

Note : I am and always have been in favour of the UK being in theEU, for lots of reasons. But in the real world the EU is not a perfect state, and many of the rules and legislation it makes is ignored wholesale by many of it's member states. if they try to impose strong data borders on the EU and it makes economic sense for businesses inside those borders to circumvent or ignore them, that is what they will do.



With all due respect, just watch them.


Or (as for example MS are doing) they can create resource in the UK to run it as a division separate from the EU. Multinational corporation is multinational shocker.

The reality is this : just as Brexit means it will be very hard for the UK to impose it's idea of what is correct on any form of trade or business, it will be equally hard for the EU to impose it's idea.This is why everyone expects the negotiations will take so long. If one or other partry had obvious and overwhelming advantage, the deals would be done in minutes- 'We say what goes and this is what we say'. In all likelihood the resulting agreement will be a compromise, and compromises in the EU and UK tend to be towards what business wants, rather than what politicians want.