How many free cells do you think we have in the nation?

Tomorrow we learn what the M25 is really for. It’s a foundation, a giant platform on which a city-enclosing dome will be erected.

London will be sealed. Problem solved.

Now I'm really pissed off. I've just walked to the local co-op for some smokes and they've closed early. We're 5 miles away from the troubles FFS!

Kill the rioters!

Just seeing live footage of Manchester on the news. Looks like.. the Britannia hotel off Piccadilly gardens I think.Lots of shouting and people milling about but not much beyond that.

Jon

Yeah, it's the Britannia. Watching that shiny faced pillock Cameron making noises with his mouth, but my brain is not comprehending the drivel.

Back to painting!

And five minutes later, there's no-one in sight....

Jon

Sirens here. nothing else happening.

They're relatively small numbers, sort it out FFS.

Everybody needs to listen. The police, the government, parents, the young people involved and all the keyboard warriors venting their spleens on Facebook. Optimism is even more important at times like this when everyone is just talking [LIFTED] and doing nothing to address problems.



Agreed. They do know better.



When I said "police", I kinda meant everybody "in charge". My original gripe was with the Met saying they had a "dignified response" to the peaceful protest on Saturday. Well, no. They had no response whatsoever. People wanted to know what had happened regarding Mark Duggan and they asked questions. The police did not respond. They can quite happily hide behind their usual "ongoing investigation/IPCC are dealing with it" [LIFTED], but the fact is if 300 people are stood outside your police station wanting to know why you shot one of their kids and you've got NOTHING to say, not even a prepared statement - that's pretty shocking. Those people were right to ask and in light of the latest IPCC revelation, I think the 5-0 look increasingly [LIFTED] across this whole mess. Of course, someone is bound to say they can't afford to be any better, but that's bollocks. Bringing me into....



Whether or not it's a false flag op or there were agent provocateurs present on Saturday night is open to discussion (although obviously not for you, and many other people who are close minded to such possibilities). However, irrespective of how it started, these events present a perfectly timed opportunity to politicians wanting to curtail our freedoms further, increase police powers and reverse cuts already made/increase budgets, tap phones and social media and any number of other nefarious/Orwellian ends.

Prof, bang on with your closing. What I want people to wake up to is that the television/government/social media are telling us what to think 24/7. Of course here, we're able to have a conversation about things, but many people I'm reading status updates from are too stupid and are just jumping on the bandwagon.

What will happen is the rioting/looting will stop, police will get more money and/or power, Mark Duggan will likely have been killed illegally but the police will get away with it on a technicality and the public will be told to spy on their neighbours/kids etc. to prevent this in future. Nothing will be done to rebuild relationships or communities and the problem will reoccur at some point. And THAT is what makes me angry.

No that is incitement!

And why I only buy old cheap open phones off eBay. Not likely to be stolen. My dad wanted a cheap nokia for emergencies so I risked £2 on one. Still working not blocked.

I do agree with you but there are many people in this country who are not involved in these troubles but are struggling. Many people are living from pay check to pay check. They are definitely feeling disenfranchised and ignored by the politicians.

Been there. Still am there, to be honest. I'm lucky if there's anything left at the end of the month.
However, I am incredibly lucky to have a job. Two at the moment, in fact.
And yes, many are struggling but as you've keenly observed - they aren't setting light to [LIFTED] and looting. I wonder why.

We have a political process. We're lucky to have one, lots of places don't. If you haven't engaged in that process, I don't necessarily think you're in a terribly good position to say '[LIFTED] it, let's burn stuff cos the politicians and that ain't listening.'

I don't think my neighbour listens to me. Then again, I've never tried speaking to him.

I think that the reason that most people like yourself do not riot is because you have things to lose from rioting. Your home whether rented or owned will be at risk. Those rioting do not have those risks. Those looting could be anyone. As they have arrested people with jobs, they are just trying to get something for nothing.

We all have things to lose from rioting. Personal freedoms from new legislation. Businesses. Homes. There are actually very, very few people in the country who genuinely have 'nothing to lose'.