That's why I directed him towards to books written by two of the foremost PUA(Pick Up Artist)s in the world.



Women invented the elaborate dance to which men must conform. If you don't conform to women's dancing you don't have girlfriends; ever.



Let's see, just by acknowledging that people have different value and that you mentioned equal value validates my point. People are rarely make there way in couples of equal value every time. It's some of why relationships fail. I never mentioned that they should screw with the feelings of the girls. They both obviously like them, so why should I not point them into the right direction? I never said to get them to conform to a certain routine.
The girls have a choice as to what they want to do. If they are infact interested in the lads they will willingly invest in this way in them. Okay, I'll admit getting the woman to pay up is rather harsh, but it's an indicator of their interest in Bratty.

Not kissing back is just a means of heightening their interest in the boys, if they are in the first place. If they're not interested, they won't be asking for a kiss back, or won't kiss them in the first place. This will free the lads up to look elsewhere. It's not the be all and end all, but it's probably quite a good indicator of lack of interest. Should I not help them stop wasting their time with a woman and allow them to get out there and make a grateful woman happy of their company?



Your poor choice in men is little of my concern.

As for the way that men abuse such knowledge, well such men would do the same to women like yourself, with, or without such knowledge. That doesn't mean that nice people like those in the forum should not benefit from that knowledge.



That is the game of women just there. Get the men to come to you.




You're wrong. You must be fairly pretty, otherwise you would have quite a different view on human nature.



That is not the point at all. You think you know what I'm about but don't have a bloody clue. I want to help them become confident enough that they don't have to shy away from the rejection of the woman they might take a liking to at the time. I'm not talking cocky or arrogant, it's confidence that they lack. Otherwise they wouldn't be on here asking us about it.

I believe all women should be treated well and with the respect they deserve, but unfortunately, women respond to different things in reality than they say they want when asked. It's not that they don't want those things, it's just that there is a dance to a woman's rules involved before hand.



Well we can only judge the value of that statement in time.



Difficult when you lack confidence and assertiveness.



Easier said than done, but then this is coming from the opposite of the sexes who are the ones that try to make us chase/approach them. And remember, they don't come chasing us.

Lucky you. But you've not got a g/f so it doesn't seem to be helping. Either you're not shy enough for them, or too friendly with them, or, they don't actually go for shy guys, it's just they one or both were were likely drunk when they met. Any truth in that Bratty?

Ill have to correct you on one point, I didnt ask here due to lack of confidence, Its basically lack of experiance personally, (only had one gf in my life previously)

Self declared, I'm guessing.



O rly?

What has experience got to do with anything? If everyone went around not asking people out because they didn't have any experience no-one would have any.

If you're confident enough to ask her out then do so. If she's the one for you you can spend the rest of your life becoming more experienced with each other.

I find it funny how you've been taken in by all that bollox from those books assasin8r.

Go to a pub and stand around waiting for a woman to come and pick you up; trust me I did this for many years of my life with no success. It certainly doesn't happen around my neck of the woods, but then we have a very poor female to male ratio around here, so even the overweight and least attractive women are discerning.

And assuming you're an ignorant scottish twat, you won't have realised that most of the people on this board are English.

Mystery was educated under Steven Pinker and is a very talented social dynamacist. Look up Pinker

So, you're saying that no women, ever, chase men for sport, or because they're genuinely attracted to them?
Sorry fella, been on the receiving end of that one myself.
It was kind of mutual, in fact, as I set out to pull her as well to irritate a mate.

I missed that, I've had a long day at work

Sure if you go to a pub, and stand about waiting for somebody to talk to you, you're going to be disappointed. If you go with a bunch of mates, with the intention of having a laugh, there's a reasonable chance you might be approached by a lovely lady or two, who want in on the fun you're having.

I've probably been "hit on" by girls as many times as I've "hit on" them, and I'm a total munter.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen it's just that I've never experienced it, whether personally or with friends, and I don't really see it happening when I'm out.

But then I've been pretty socially unaware most if not all my life

I've never had a girl approach me in a pub.

I have had girls approach me though. Either directly, or "through the grapevine" i.e. a mate hinting.

Blokes aren't the only ones who have trouble approaching people they fancy ya know - girls are exactly the same. I'm a pretty confident guy so I don't mind approaching girls I like, and the girls who have approached me must be pretty confident too.

You seem to have quite a warped view of things.

::EDIT:: argh had to click submit four times!! lol

As per my previous post to the Prof, EW. And you've got my picture so I can say that I'm not exactly unattractive to look at.