By 'eck. These quote pyramids aren't working well. I quoted directly, and it didn't work. Had to edit it a bit.

I don't have many friends that have female friends, or girlfriends with female friends.

So I've not encountered either of the situations that you have described. Maybe it doesn't help that I'm 6'4". I've had to go out and find the women I've had as G/Fs. Like I said previously, I live in an area with a very poor male to female ratio.

I know about girls not being able to approach men, but that was the point that I was making, that zippy was being hypocritical in saying what she was.

You too?? I'm only having to click twice in Firefox

Yeah max of three quotes embedded

seriously, WTF is wrong with you and your insults? Im very aware that 99% of people on this board are english hence why I liked cpc forum so much the point I was trying to get across is that the people here where I currently live are completly differant in all aspects of what this thread is talking about, Its clique, horrid and hostile. not everywhere I admit but most places. theres probably not a single pub where I am where people will approach you as they are in their little "clique circle" you have a total misunderstanding of my posts so I suggest you piss off with the mindless insulting. The guides that assasinator put across, the people here dont fit anywhere near the catagory, so hard to explain on text so im not going to even bother

Nick, man. Below the belt. Seriously.

Bratty, you do live in a very isolated part of the world so I get where you're coming from.

Why is everybody here finding it hard to talk to women?
HEight shouldn't be an issue, I'm 6'7" and not had too many problems.

Err.. everyone? Less of the generalisations please .


Especially when they want something off the top shelf.

Jon

By here I meant this thread, it started with one now we've got a team.

Top shelves, lightbulb changing, scaring exboyfriends you name it.

I've got no problem talking to women. I've always been able to do that. I've also got no problem assuming an emotionally caring/supportive boyfriend role. I've even managed a few fb situations. What I can't seem to do is move things from either polite first time conversation or friendship to "a relationship".

It's nothing to with my height.

According to whom? Themselves most likely, and it's equally likely (knowing nothing about their lives) that they're middle-aged, single, living with their parents writing books about how they wish their lives were.

There's sod all point reading books about life. The only way to have a life is to get out there and live it, everyones experience of dating is different, trying to learn it from a book is completely pointless.





Rubbish!! You're making sweeping generalisations about an entire gender based on what? Your own, self-confessed "limited" experience? I'm sure some women enjoy the games, just as I'm sure some women abuse their partners, that doesn't mean that you shoudl treat all women as though they abuse their partners. Generalisations about a gender are as meaningless as generalisations about hair or eye colour!!





I have so many problems with this paragraph I hardly know where to start. I'm taking about equality of people, the female being "equal" to the male (in this case) in terms of the respect they deserve. I'm not talking about them having equal wants and needs. If you want to have a relationship with another person, it helps immeasurably if you treat them as an equal, rather than inferior, as you suggested with all that "showing little or no interest, looking at other girls" cr@p you spouted. Treat other people the way you would like to be treated, simple as.

If the girls are interested in the boys, nothing will be improved if the boys are messing about with them, trying to get them to "conform" to a certain behaviour by pretending to be something they're not. If the boys want to pay, then pay, if not, go halves, whatever! Whether a girl behaves a particular way or not in response to manipulation is absolutely no indication of her "investment" in the relationship.



Cr@p. If you seriously think that is an indication of someones willingness to take part in a relationship perhaps you should consider taking holy orders. I have never come across a woman who enjoys spending their whole time second-guessing how a prospective partner feels about them, FFS there are entire agony aunt columns in countless womens magazines dedicated to tw@tty boyfriends who can't seem to make their minds up what they want. Insecurity makes people miserable and definitely isn't a basis for a relationship. Secondly, if the boys are stupid enough to think that lack of reciprocation on the first date is a good enough reason to drop a girl like hot bricks and look elsewhere, then they deserve to stay single until they grow up. You can't expect people to behave in a particular way and then give up at the first hurdle, relationships take time and effort and that's what keeps them working.



Frankly, based on the evidence so far I think you stop giving people dating advice forever! Honestly, you've already said that you have been pretty socially unaware most of your life, not much experience of dating (or at least "twice") and that you live somewhere with a low female to male ratio, and yet you feel qualified to give these guys advice on how to have successfull relationships? It occurs to me that someone who's had at least one long-term relationship, or someone who's actually "having" one would be in a better position.





Condescending and sanctimonious commentary isn't really necessary, my point was just that I have tw@ts like you who think this kind of manipulation is an acceptable way to treat another person to thank for the idiots I've dated before. Your attempt to perpetuate that kind of thinking is only going to ensure another string of women who think all men are barstewards. Talk about hypocrisy!!





You misunderstand me, it was an indication that you have to use the initiative in how you behave towards the other person, treat them with respect, openness and honesty, if that's how you want them to treat you.



HA!! You only think differently to me because you have different experiences, that doesn't make me wrong, it just makes you inexperienced. For the record, I suspect I would be one of the "overweight unattractive" people you so kindly described when mourning your ability to get a date. Luckily for me I am matured beyond appearance mattering a damn.





Not at all, I am only able to respond to you based on what I have read of you here, which makes you sound like a cocky arrogant tw@t who thinks women are all the same and that you have to play some game, or have some strategy to combat some strategy that you think they are using on you. What a crock!! All that happens is that you behave like some game-playing fool which will either piss her off and ensure you spend your nights alone, or lead to her starting her own campaign or stratgey to get you to behave like a perfectly normal, nice and relationship-worthy guy. It could snowball very quickly.



SOME women. Some women are like that but the majority (based on my experience) are not, they just want a bloke to be open and honest with them, treat them with respect and as an equal.





Correct.




Yes, it is difficult, but some men and women manage it all the time from a place of no self-esteem and no self-confidence. I'm not saying it's easy (hence the requirement of courage) but it is possible.





Oh yes they do. Perhaps they're not chasing you (and perhaps you should question why.) Don't think for one second that all women are forcing you to chase them, the fact that the ones you've come across are running away, doesn't necessarily mean they want you to follow....

Pass the popcorn.

Yeah as long as its sugar, cant stand salt

That was an amazing post, I think ill take zippys advice as its much more understandable etc

WAS an amazing post? This is not the end Bratty... this is not the end