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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re-editing a film already screening for a lower age rating

This has upset me...



F&^k That! THE KING'S SPEECH Re-Released For PG-13 - A Nordling Op-Ed

Published on: Feb 25, 2011 9:59:05 PM CST

Nordling here.

I think I liked THE KING'S SPEECH more than my contemporaries here at AICN. It's not my favorite of the Best Picture nominees, and if it were up to me I'd drop it if it meant Mark Romanek's NEVER LET ME GO got a slot. But for a few weeks now it seems the Weinstein Company has been wanting to re-release this film to get more bang for its buck by re-cutting it for a PG-13 rating, thus ensuring more box office. The R rating is due to one scene in particular where Colin Firth's King George VI swears like a sailor to get over his stammering, as he's being encouraged by Geoffrey Rush's Lionel Logue. There's no sexual connotation to it at all, and it's a very funny and effective scene. But too many F-bombs, in this scene and spread throughout the film, pushed the film to the R rating it received from the MPAA.

Well, it appears the Weinstein Company successfully lobbied the MPAA to allow them to release a PG-13 cut of the film without having to wait the statutory 90 days, and so the studio will begin withdrawing the R version from theaters to make way for the PG-13 version - "to avoid public confusion," according to the MPAA. As it seems there's a real possibility that THE KING'S SPEECH will do very well at the Oscars Sunday night, it's difficult to see the reasoning behind this other than simple greed. The film has already done quite well, with over $100 million in domestic money alone, with an additional $130 million in international box office take. At this point, other than the bump that the Oscars seem to give after the ceremony, who was going to see this film who hasn't seen it already?

I understand that the Weinstein Company would want to maximize their profits, and THE KING'S SPEECH is a good movie. It may seem like it's just one scene in the film, so what's the big deal? But when I saw the film with an audience, that scene got a terrific response, and I'd hate to see that response lessened. It's not a scene, in my opinion, that any kid couldn't handle. It's real and true and genuinely funny, and sure, the language is rough but that's the point. I'm certain anyone who has speech issues could relate to it and enjoy it for what it was. I'd have no problem showing it to my daughter, if she was interested in seeing it.

That's the thing - the subject matter wasn't going to bring the kids in of their own accord anyway. They'd likely be dragged in by their parents. How many teens out there on a Friday night were going to see THE KING'S SPEECH? They'd sooner see something they'd be interested in, even if the film wasn't very good, because THE KING'S SPEECH already has the stigma of being a homeworky type of film. So what's the benefit here, other than the potential of profits? It's a complete money grab, and there's no artistic reasoning behind it.

I like Tom Hooper as a director. I thought that JOHN ADAMS was a wonderful miniseries and he directed the hell out of it with the budget he got, and got great performances out of everyone involved. But what kind of director allows their film to be recut just to get a PG-13? The scene they're going to cut or re-dub as the case may be is a fairly essential scene in the film - it helps George come to grips with his affliction, his repressed psyche, and it helps him open up to Lionel Logue (Geoffrey Rush). It's integral. And by doing this, the Weinstein Company is taking all the punch out of the scene. If I were Hooper I'd be up in arms about this, but so far we've heard nothing from his corner. Perhaps he doesn't want to rock the boat too much considering the Oscars are Sunday night. No matter what the Weinstein Company might say, this is an artistic decision and should have been left up to the director. If this was his decision, well, that's definitely going to affect my opinion of his work from this point. There's ways of pleasing the audience without placating them through scenes that might be uncomfortable for them, even a scene that's as innocuous as this one in the scheme of things.

As far as I understand, THE KING'S SPEECH version that's out there this weekend is the R version, but it won't be for long. According to the MPAA the R version would have to be removed from theaters if the Weinstein Company wants to release this edited version, so as not to cause confusion with movie patrons. And we all know how this will end up - two different cuts on DVD and Blu-Ray, and I'm sure the Weinstein Company can figure out how to get the most money for those releases. It's just a shame that this is happening, over one scene in a film with too many swear words for virgin ears. I guess the film should have ended with Val Kilmer apologizing to the audience a la KISS KISS BANG BANG - "Sorry we said [LIFTED] so much."

Nordling, out.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48646

Now, I don't know if that crap's ever been pulled before, but it's not hard to imagine that if it brought in a few extra $ the studios would be all over it :evil:

The focus on demographics has been bad enough for at least the last ten years (kids running around TDK screenings, Bruce Willis not swearing etc), never mind hitting the rewind button while a film's still in the cinema.

If it's gonna happen at all, they should release/enable multiple versions for home viewing IMO, not engage in this sort of nonsense while some people are deciding on going to the cinema, or won't even realise they've been adversely affected. I'd certainly like to know how much input the director had here, but what's your take?

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:26 pm ]
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I hate this kind of [LIFTED]. It f*cking pisses me off no motherf*cking end. It's like raping a donkey's ass and sucking it's **** at the same f*cking time.

Being a bit less profanic, I see it all the time and it genuinely winds me up. TV shows and films that in the past would have been aired only after 9pm suddenly having scenes cut out and then being aired during Saturday lunchtime. It ruins the film, it ruins the mood. Some films are so much better when watched at night - the hour gives it an extra atmosphere that's ruined by daytime/daylight viewing. It also destroys the impact the film has and I think in this case, the missing scene will dampen the effect of the film and turn what should be a triumphant moment into a more bland moment.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that I prefer to buy extended or "full" versions of theatrical releases. I've watched several films and found the extra deleted scenes add to the storyline and make the film different in its impact.

Author:  trigen_killer [ Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Re-editing a film already screening for a lower age rating

Over hear, it was a 12A rating. I was surprised recently to hear the F-word in a 12, it used to guarantee a 15 rating. Although, as noted, it has no sexual connotation, is not gratuitous and was, I suppose, factually accurate, I am still very surprised that it is 12A.

I shouldn't be surprised, though. With limbs being lopped off and all sorts of other nasties going on, the original Star Wars trilogy managed a U. Why isn't Kill Bill a PG??

Author:  Paul1965 [ Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:02 pm ]
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The first time I can remember this happening was the case of Saturday Night Fever (1977) which came out in a cut version because so many underage kids were trying to get in and see it. Saturday Night Fever was rated 'X' in its original form and re-issued as 'A,' meaning kids could see the film but only if accompanied by an adult (I think).

Quote:
After the success of the first run, in 1978 the film was re-issued to a PG-rated version and re-released during a second run to attract a wider audience. The R-rated version contained profanity, nudity, drug use and an attempted rape scene, all of which were de-emphasized or completely removed from the PG version.


That's why we then had the kiddie-friendly Grease straight afterwards.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:38 am ]
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Question: How many people who are not old enough to get into an R movie would really enjoy that film anyway?
A: Not many (IMO).

Author:  pcernie [ Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Re-editing a film already screening for a lower age rating

More On The PG-13 Rating For THE KING'S SPEECH; Colin Firth Speaks Out

Published on: Feb 28, 2011 7:51:38 AM CST

Nordling here.

Congratulations to THE KING'S SPEECH and all involved in the making of the film for their Oscar win last night. I think it's a fine film and everyone who worked on it did terrific work. It's not the winner I would have chosen, but as Steven Spielberg so aptly put it last night, all the winners and all the losers are in fine company.

I'd like to take this time to apologize if I inferred in my previous article that Tom Hooper was complicit in the edit to get the ratings changed. I was wrong. According to Entertainment Weekly he is absolutely not a fan of the editing of the film to achieve a lesser rating. He has stated unequivocally that he is not going to cut the film. Helena Bonham-Carter also stated that she didn't think the film needed to be cut down.

And now Best Actor Oscar winner Colin Firth has joined in, according to Hollywood Reporter, saying, "I think the film has its integrity as it stands." He also stated that "I still haven't met the person who'd object to it. I am against it."

This is all getting a bit "you can't fight City Hall", as I believe the Weinsteins have submitted their PG-13 edit and the MPAA has signed off on the re-release. At this point there is likely little anyone can say or do. And as I've noted in some of the argument back and forth about this, people have stated that it's just a couple of swear words, and what's the big deal. The big deal is that liberties are rarely lost in grand moments; they're lost by inches, especially today. It was considered scandalous in 1939 when Rhett Butler told Scarlett O'Hara that he didn't give a damn. Can you imagine if the studio had bent to the whims of the day and changed that line? As King George VI, played by Firth, discovered in THE KING'S SPEECH, sometimes the only word that works is "[LIFTED]." I know I've said it enough times when other words have failed. I think most people can understand that.

Nordling, out.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48664

Cool on everybody's part bar TWC... :evil:

Author:  Andythebatch [ Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:00 pm ]
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The only thing unusual in this is that the film has been released and is about to be reedited (or already has been) and re-released in very short order rather than wait the usual 90 days.

I suspect this is because when the studio originally signed off on the thing they didn't expect it to be such a hit.

I fully support all involved in trying to stop this, but a studio re-editing a film is nothing new - see Battle for Brazil for a slightly extreme example. This has been going on for years, we often get a different cut in the UK to the one released in the US, no-one complains much. Film makers sign deals that give the studio final cut, then complain whne the studio excercises that option, but very few take their name off the film in protest.

To my mind, the solution to this is simple, if you don't want the studio to mess with your picture, and I know I wouldn't, don't make it in the studio system. Unless you feel the need to out do Michael Bay it has never been eaier and cheaper to make a feature film and then sell the distribution rights to the studio on your terms, and the more people do it the easier it will become.

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