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Author:	big_D [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:30 am ]
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/06 ... es_toyota/ I'd consider jailbreaking my iPhone for that skin! The iPhone's icon set is looking old anyway. But, given that the US government has explicitly said that jailbreaking is not an illegal activity, why are Apple then pressuring Toyota to remove adverts for the skin on jailbreaking sites? Do they think they are above the law? It seems a shame, I used to like Apple, a lot, but in recent years, they seem to have become overbearing and are losing interest in their customers.

Author:	forquare1 [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:01 am ]
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Apple bans non-iAd ads The Toyota project was implementing adverts which were not in accordance with the terms and conditions of developing apps. However, seeing as the T&Cs are for the App Store, and not for the device itself (as you "must" use the App Store to get the app on the device), and that the developers are using Cydia, I'm not sure where they stand...

Author:	trigen_killer [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:01 am ]
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The ONLY Apple product that we have in the house is a tiny iPod Shuffle that my wife won in a radio competition, so I am hardly the most qualified person to speak on the subject, but... It seems to me that most Apple users buy into the Apple mentality- you get what you pay for, you use it, you replace it, end of. No tinkering, modding, breaking up and rebuilding- in other words, you don't fiddle with it any more than most people mess with a toaster. Although I was not aware of jailbreaking and all that it involves, it seems to me that these users are unlocking the potential of a device that they have paid (enough) for to get the widest possible use from it. I don't blame them. But (again)... It [i]may[i] be considered legal, but I presume that somewhere in Apple's terms and conditions it states that this is NOT to be done and surely that is allowed. If Apple are having a word with another company to ask them to respect this fact, I don't have a problem with it, but if they are trying to bring down the hammer of the gods, then perhaps that is a bit much.

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Spreadie [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:03 am ]

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	trigen_killer wrote: It seems to me that most Apple users buy into the Apple mentality- you get what you pay for, you use it, you replace it, end of. No tinkering, modding, breaking up and rebuilding- in other words, you don't fiddle with it any more than most people mess with a toaster.

I don't think that is quite so true these days.

It's largely due to the huge success Apple has achieved with consumer electronics - capturing much more than the devoted following it has for it's computers who, largely, did not modify their machines.

My iphone is now out of warranty, and it's only laziness that has stopped me from jailbreaking it.

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davrosG5 [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:29 am ]

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The last paragraph in the article is classic:


	Quote: Apple, however, doesn't need a court decision to pressure advertisers to not support the jailbreaking community – it only needs the clout enjoyed by its status as the 800-pound gorilla of mobile shiny-shiny. ®

Author:	paulzolo [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:35 am ]
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Frankly, it doesn’t really matter if people do or do not jailbreak their phones. IN doing so, they are opting out of the system, and that’s fine. If their phone borks as a result, then they won’t have any redress. As long as that is understood, then I see no problem. Apple aren’t a charity, and they aren’t in the phone business through some form of altruism. They are there because it makes them money. That is the business ethic - and everyone in the phone business are equally motivated. Apple want you in their ecosystem to maximise profit, and they will do what they can to keep you there. Same for Microsoft, same for Android, etc.. This is capitalism, folks. If you don’t like it, opt out by not having a phone in the first place. Edit: that Toyata theme is butt ugly, and reeks of posters from Athena.

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veato [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:10 am ]

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	paulzolo wrote: Edit: that Toyata theme is butt ugly, and reeks of posters from Athena.

I thought it looked like a [LIFTED] Winamp skin circa 1999

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jonbwfc [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:40 am ]

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	trigen_killer wrote: It seems to me that most Apple users buy into the Apple mentality- you get what you pay for, you use it, you replace it, end of. No tinkering, modding, breaking up and rebuilding- in other words, you don't fiddle with it any more than most people mess with a toaster.

I've been thinking this for a while - iOS devices may actually be computers, but they aren't what we all grew up with thinking of 'computers' being. They strike me much more as 'appliances'. OK, maybe not as simple as a toaster but would it not be fair to describe an iPad as a 'computing appliance'?

Apple's gift/talent/lucky break - which some describe in airy-fairy terms about simplicity and what have you - is actually to commoditise the use of computer technology. The iPad isn't a 'magical device', it's the computer equivalent of the model-t Ford. There were lots of cars made before the model-t but they were strange and complicated - most people didn't think they needed them and wouldn't want to have to deal with the complexity of them if they did have one. The model-t was the first car that was actually within the grasp of 'normal people' to manage and their popularity ensured people who didn't have one at least saw why it would be a good idea if they did have one. I can't help feeling that iOS (and Android) are doing the same thing for computing - the iPad and Xoom and what have you are actually 'the first worthwhile computers for non-geeks', in the same way the model-t was 'the first worthwhile car for non-petrolheads'. The Windows PC and Mac are far too complicated and fractious compared to an iOS/Android device. We've essentially all been 'early adopters' of computer technology, just for about 30 years.

Are apple bigger than God? Well, no. But is Jobs the 21st Century's Henry Ford? Very possibly, IMO.

Jon

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paulzolo [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:00 pm ]

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jonbwfc wrote:


	trigen_killer wrote: It seems to me that most Apple users buy into the Apple mentality- you get what you pay for, you use it, you replace it, end of. No tinkering, modding, breaking up and rebuilding- in other words, you don't fiddle with it any more than most people mess with a toaster.

That’s how I see it too. I always thought of the iMac as an “appliance” computer - but the iPad mades iMacs seem complex.


	jonbwfc wrote: Apple's gift/talent/lucky break - which some describe in airy-fairy terms about simplicity and what have you - is actually to commoditise the use of computer technology. The iPad isn't a 'magical device', it's the computer equivalent of the model-t Ford. There were lots of cars made before the model-t but they were strange and complicated - most people didn't think they needed them and wouldn't want to have to deal with the complexity of them if they did have one. The model-t was the first car that was actually within the grasp of 'normal people' to manage and their popularity ensured people who didn't have one at least saw why it would be a good idea if they did have one. I can't help feeling that iOS (and Android) are doing the same thing for computing - the iPad and Xoom and what have you are actually 'the first worthwhile computers for non-geeks', in the same way the model-t was 'the first worthwhile car for non-petrolheads'. The Windows PC and Mac are far too complicated and fractious compared to an iOS/Android device. We've essentially all been 'early adopters' of computer technology, just for about 30 years. Are apple bigger than God? Well, no. But is Jobs the 21st Century's Henry Ford? Very possibly, IMO

The current “interface” we have in cars is a long way from that in a Model T. It had no end of pedals for gearing and stopping. I’d say that the Model T is more analogous to the iMac - with, say, the Mini being more of an iPad. Remember - the Mini brought more than just size - it was a very fashionable car - it did more than just transport people around.

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Amnesia10 [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:13 pm ]

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	trigen_killer wrote: The ONLY Apple product that we have in the house is a tiny iPod Shuffle that my wife won in a radio competition, so I am hardly the most qualified person to speak on the subject, but... It seems to me that most Apple users buy into the Apple mentality- you get what you pay for, you use it, you replace it, end of. No tinkering, modding, breaking up and rebuilding- in other words, you don't fiddle with it any more than most people mess with a toaster.

Most mac users really do not care about tweaking it excessively. I used to do that with my PC's when I was a Windows user. It was a lot of hard work and quite frankly I just wanted it to work. With Macs I do not have to worry about many things.


	trigen_killer wrote: Although I was not aware of jailbreaking and all that it involves, it seems to me that these users are unlocking the potential of a device that they have paid (enough) for to get the widest possible use from it. I don't blame them. But (again)... It [i]may[i] be considered legal, but I presume that somewhere in Apple's terms and conditions it states that this is NOT to be done and surely that is allowed. If Apple are having a word with another company to ask them to respect this fact, I don't have a problem with it, but if they are trying to bring down the hammer of the gods, then perhaps that is a bit much.

Yes but for most people not jailbreaking is the norm. When the iPhone was only with O2 then there was motive to jail break so you could put it on your network of choice. Now that it is available for any network why jailbreak unless you wnat to do something not allowed by Apple, previously tethering. Now that is possible the reasons are getting fewer and fewer. The only reason I would consider jailbreaking for is to load an app that Apple have rejected. There is only one that I would want iSnort, and that is not enough of a reason to risk the phone. Apple should drop their moral attitude and age rate apps, unless they compromise the phone or network.

Author:	Linux_User [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:17 pm ]
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The iPhone can't even change theme? It's even worse than I thought.

Author:	timark_uk [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:34 pm ]
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Does anyone know the height of God? No? Thought not. </bratty> Mark

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l3v1ck [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:41 pm ]

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	big_D wrote: Re: Apple bigger than God?

Nope.... and I'm an atheist.

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bobbdobbs [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:53 pm ]

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l3v1ck wrote:


	big_D wrote: Re: Apple bigger than God?

Nope.... and I'm an atheist.

So that would be a yes then. As there is no God but there is an Apple :lol:

Infact from an athiest (and from Steves .. though this is an unfounded allegation and is in no way a reflection on Skeletors true thoughts ) viewpoint Aplle is infinitly bigger!! :shock:

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l3v1ck [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:54 pm ]

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	bobbdobbs wrote: So that would be a yes then.

It would still be a no. I still walk past churches and enjoy the view etc, but I don't own (and don't plan to own) any Apple products to look at or play with. In my life Apple are non-existant.

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