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Author:  pcernie [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:54 pm ]
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Wallace and Gromit maker Aardman's head of TV has said the company may have to halt UK production of its famed stop-frame animations because it has become too expensive.

Miles Bullough told Radio 4's World This Weekend there was a "crisis" in the UK's TV animation industry and that homegrown shows were being lost to cheaper foreign competitors.

"When a company like Aardman is considering offshoring stop-frame animation, which we are at the moment, something's got to be wrong," he said.

The main problem, he said, was that while films made in the UK can receive government help in the shape of a 15-20% tax credit, UK TV animation receives nothing.

As a result, many British companies were either sending their shows abroad to be made or were being bought out altogether, he said.

"There is genuinely a crisis. HIT, a beacon of excellence in children's animation in the UK and maker of Bob the Builder and Pingu, has just been bought by US company Mattel.

"Cosgrove Hall, known for Dangermouse and Avenger Penguins, is sadly no longer with us."

Aardman is most famous for the Wallace and Gromit television shorts and feature film, but it has also had a big TV hit with Shaun the Sheep which is now seen in more than 180 countries.

The show is currently still made in the UK - at Aardman's Bristol studios - but if companies are increasingly having to outsource their shows overseas, it could "threaten the country's cultural heritage", said Mr Bullough.

"Do we want to see Bob the Builder driving on the right-hand side of the road? That is what will happen if we don't watch out," he said.

"And do you want our children thinking that the emergency services number is 911? If we let cheap American products come into the country we are selling our children short."

Companies in Canada, Ireland and France also receive government support for producing TV animation at home and in some countries there is protection against imported products.

If the situation was the same in the UK it would be "a tremendous boost to our industry", said Mr Bullough.

He added that, at a time when the government was having to make widespread budget cuts, the potential profit for the Treasury had been outlined in an Animation Alliance UK report called Securing The Future Of TV Animation In The UK.

"Animation is such a labour-intensive undertaking that by retaining jobs in the UK we increase national insurance receipts, tax receipts, expenditure and VAT receipts and actually a tax credit should be profitable in the long run," he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15611244

Posting this here cos I'm curious to know what you make of the films and the tax issue - for what it's worth, I never really took to the films as there was always something else I'd sooner be doing (that's just personal preference). On the tax issue, at first glance it seems to me animation should get treated the way 'proper' films do :?

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:01 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
On the tax issue, at first glance it seems to me animation should get treated the way 'proper' films do :?


Proper films are generally more than 30 minutes long.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:08 pm ]
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What's length got to do with it?
(nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more)

Animation of the type Aardman indulges in takes far longer start to finish than most live action features that could be 90-120 minutes long.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:12 pm ]
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Unfortunately it has nothing to do with effort or quality. All that will be seen is whether something is feature length, or not. :(

Author:  big_D [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:10 am ]
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There is something seriously wrong, when companies can only stay in the UK, if they can get a 30% tax credit! :?

The tax credit isn't the problem, it is the having to get a tax credit to be competitive in the world market that is the problem.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:21 am ]
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Seems pretty simple to me. Stop-Frame animation is very labour intensive, and labour costs in some other parts of the world are much less than they are in the UK. Therefore higher costs. You either get some way to offset those costs, accept you're going to make less profit or go to where the labour is cheapest.

I do find the.. amorality of it interesting though. They could still easily make a profit in the UK, it just won't be as much. Nobody is 'forcing' them to outsource, they're just doing it to make more money. However hard they try to dress it up, it's simple, well, 'greed' is probably a bit too perjorative but that's basically what it is.

Jon

Author:  davrosG5 [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:41 am ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
I do find the.. amorality of it interesting though. They could still easily make a profit in the UK, it just won't be as much. Nobody is 'forcing' them to outsource, they're just doing it to make more money. However hard they try to dress it up, it's simple, well, 'greed' is probably a bit too perjorative but that's basically what it is.

Jon


Are you sure about that? What are the margins that animation companies work on? If it's just about making more money then I absolutely agree with you. If it's the difference between being in business or not then it's slightly different. If the work gets otusourced then it's gone, along with all the jobs, direct and indirect, that go with it.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:53 am ]
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davrosG5 wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
I do find the.. amorality of it interesting though. They could still easily make a profit in the UK, it just won't be as much. Nobody is 'forcing' them to outsource, they're just doing it to make more money. However hard they try to dress it up, it's simple, well, 'greed' is probably a bit too perjorative but that's basically what it is.
Jon

Are you sure about that? What are the margins that animation companies work on? If it's just about making more money then I absolutely agree with you. If it's the difference between being in business or not then it's slightly different. If the work gets otusourced then it's gone, along with all the jobs, direct and indirect, that go with it.

Aardman need to be a going concern, even if they stay in the UK, otherwise they're on a slippery slope. They don't just do the W&G stuff, they have a big business doing corporate and other stuff. They're pretty much the place everyone in the UK goes to to get any animated work done at all - adverts, pop videos, corp work.. If they can't make it work it means the contracts simply don't exist any more. Outsourcing will stave the wolf from the door for a while but in the long term if their business is in decline then it's only going to end one way.

Jon

Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:23 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
They're pretty much the place everyone in the UK goes to to get any animated work done at all - adverts, pop videos, corp work.. If they can't make it work it means the contracts simply don't exist any more. Outsourcing will stave the wolf from the door for a while but in the long term if their business is in decline then it's only going to end one way.

Jon


I'm not entirely convinced by the veracity of the idea that they're the only people in town for animation for animation, and if they are, the margins on pop promos and corporates are wafer thin.

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