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Author: | pcernie [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:54 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15611244 Posting this here cos I'm curious to know what you make of the films and the tax issue - for what it's worth, I never really took to the films as there was always something else I'd sooner be doing (that's just personal preference). On the tax issue, at first glance it seems to me animation should get treated the way 'proper' films do ![]() |
Author: | belchingmatt [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:01 pm ] | |||||||||
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Proper films are generally more than 30 minutes long. |
Author: | ProfessorF [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:08 pm ] |
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What's length got to do with it? (nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more) Animation of the type Aardman indulges in takes far longer start to finish than most live action features that could be 90-120 minutes long. |
Author: | belchingmatt [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:12 pm ] |
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Unfortunately it has nothing to do with effort or quality. All that will be seen is whether something is feature length, or not. ![]() |
Author: | big_D [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:10 am ] |
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There is something seriously wrong, when companies can only stay in the UK, if they can get a 30% tax credit! ![]() The tax credit isn't the problem, it is the having to get a tax credit to be competitive in the world market that is the problem. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:21 am ] |
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Seems pretty simple to me. Stop-Frame animation is very labour intensive, and labour costs in some other parts of the world are much less than they are in the UK. Therefore higher costs. You either get some way to offset those costs, accept you're going to make less profit or go to where the labour is cheapest. I do find the.. amorality of it interesting though. They could still easily make a profit in the UK, it just won't be as much. Nobody is 'forcing' them to outsource, they're just doing it to make more money. However hard they try to dress it up, it's simple, well, 'greed' is probably a bit too perjorative but that's basically what it is. Jon |
Author: | davrosG5 [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:41 am ] | |||||||||
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Are you sure about that? What are the margins that animation companies work on? If it's just about making more money then I absolutely agree with you. If it's the difference between being in business or not then it's slightly different. If the work gets otusourced then it's gone, along with all the jobs, direct and indirect, that go with it. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:53 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Aardman need to be a going concern, even if they stay in the UK, otherwise they're on a slippery slope. They don't just do the W&G stuff, they have a big business doing corporate and other stuff. They're pretty much the place everyone in the UK goes to to get any animated work done at all - adverts, pop videos, corp work.. If they can't make it work it means the contracts simply don't exist any more. Outsourcing will stave the wolf from the door for a while but in the long term if their business is in decline then it's only going to end one way. Jon |
Author: | ProfessorF [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:23 pm ] | |||||||||
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I'm not entirely convinced by the veracity of the idea that they're the only people in town for animation for animation, and if they are, the margins on pop promos and corporates are wafer thin. |
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