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pcernie
Legend
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745And yeah, it would appear to be genuine. Feel free to be cynical about the timing Of course, even if you believed the BS it won't make a blind bit of difference - there was terrorism long before technology came along ffs. And are the Lib Dems the world's first collectively suicidal party?
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JohnSheridan
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:10 pm Posts: 1057
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George Orwell would be proud - gone even further than he imagined Oh well - just encrypt your email and use a program to spoof/mask your real ip address - wonder how it would work on people without fixed ip address anyway?
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:53 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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Isn't this just them admitting to it? It's not as if they haven't been able to do it before now. I wonder what's going to be coming out further down the line that they're having to excuse themselves with this?
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:57 pm |
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saspro
Site Admin
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:53 pm Posts: 8603 Location: location, location
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The ISP keeps logs off all the IP to mac mappings from the DHCP servers. They'll have the mac addresses from your router linked to your username. All it takes is a quick search & they can link the info quite easily. TOR & SSL based SMTP it is then
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:26 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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VPN, certainly.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:45 am |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Indeed, but if they see you using such stuff, they will become suspicious.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:01 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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'Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than speak and confirm it'.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:05 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Under EU Data Protection law, it is currently illegal to pass on personally identifiable information (telephone numbers, e-mail addresses, street addresses etc.)to a third party, including authorities, without a court order.
If the UK Gov pushes that through, they are opening themselves and the ISPs up to prosecution.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:14 am |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Which is probably already being done by the most dangerous people this new law is being marketed as being created for.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:02 am |
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MrStevenRogers
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm Posts: 4860
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i predict that the information overload that the dim wits are trying to see/view/intercept will just show them up as bigger/greater dim wits ...
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:37 am |
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saspro
Site Admin
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:53 pm Posts: 8603 Location: location, location
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Exactly. Although bearing in mind servers such as this one (& gmail's, & hotmail's, & other webmail providers) are based overseas they can't monitor what's on them anyway.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:55 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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As suggested to me today, now might be a good time to get into the 'paid for VPN Service' business.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:42 pm |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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They can monitor traffic coming to you at the ISP level though.
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:31 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Indeed. The ISP could, in theory, keep a log of all the addresses you've looked up in their DNS but that's of relatively little use. And you can get round it just by using OpenDNS instead - they'd have to packet trap to see where you were going. If you use SSL'ed protocols they can't read what you're saying and if you use a vpn, they can't see who you are talking to either.
Yes, using SSL or tunnels might be considered unusual once but there are an increasing number of legitimate reasons to do so. I'd be somewhat surprised if 'he's using a VPN your honour' was enough justification to get an interception order and it if still is, it won't be for much longer.
As has been said before, anyone who actually has anything to hide already knows how to obfuscate their traffic to make it effectively unreadable. It's a land-grab by the security services which is frankly pointless and pretty deplorable.
Jon
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:41 pm |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Caller: “Hello. I’m calling from Windows Support Department. I am noticing that your computer is infected with internet virus and your computer is running slow and transmitting malicious code on the software part of the internet” Me: “No - that’s just just GCHQ listening in. Nothing I can do about that. Why not give them a call?”. 
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