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Author:  Fogmeister [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:21 am ]
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http://www.oliverfoggin.com/the-hamburg ... ood-thing/

Had to keep it away from social networks though as I didn't want to annoy anyone at work.

Author:  oceanicitl [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:42 am ]
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Learn something every day! :)

Author:  okenobi [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:31 pm ]
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On point and easy to read. Good work :)

Author:  Fogmeister [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:59 pm ]
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Thanks :D

I need to mess around with the styles on my site though. And make it a bit wider than it is.

Not got a clue how to though, lol!

Author:  Fogmeister [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:16 pm ]
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Ah, looks much better now :D

Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:46 am ]
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These “hamburger” menus are reminiscent of those funny drawers that used to slide out of windows in earlier versions of Mac OSX. Utterly pointless as they required more space to display, and if you were working on an app in a (what we would now regard as) limited screen space (say 1024x768 pixels or 1152x768 for wide screen users) which functions best at full screen width, these extra sliding out elements meant that you had to make the window smaller to accommodate them. They were idiotic and really needed to be palettes or more modern HUD palettes.

On iOS, there is no extra space to shove a drawer like this, so a chunk of screen real estate has to be eaten up by them, and it makes the app more clumsy to use. The BBC’s News app, FaceBook and Google+ all do this in some fashion, and I really wish they could just think of a better way.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:13 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
These “hamburger” menus are reminiscent of those funny drawers that used to slide out of windows in earlier versions of Mac OSX. Utterly pointless as they required more space to display, and if you were working on an app in a (what we would now regard as) limited screen space (say 1024x768 pixels or 1152x768 for wide screen users) which functions best at full screen width, these extra sliding out elements meant that you had to make the window smaller to accommodate them. They were idiotic and really needed to be palettes or more modern HUD palettes.

On iOS, there is no extra space to shove a drawer like this, so a chunk of screen real estate has to be eaten up by them, and it makes the app more clumsy to use. The BBC’s News app, FaceBook and Google+ all do this in some fashion, and I really wish they could just think of a better way.

Exactly :D

Author:  leeds_manc [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:24 pm ]
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In Chrome it's just the "options" where you can change the variables and customise Chrome, those functions have to go somewhere, and all the ones hidden away there are the options that a beginner could get away with never seeing, but they still need to be there for the power users. Of course, Apple never has that problem of power users, because they like to keep their slavish followers in a constant state of dependent neoteny.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:39 pm ]
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Power users?
It's a browser.
You're a power browser then?

Author:  Fogmeister [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:58 pm ]
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leeds_manc wrote:
In Chrome it's just the "options" where you can change the variables and customise Chrome, those functions have to go somewhere, and all the ones hidden away there are the options that a beginner could get away with never seeing, but they still need to be there for the power users. Of course, Apple never has that problem of power users, because they like to keep their slavish followers in a constant state of dependent neoteny.
they don't "need" to be there at all.

As you said, it works perfectly well without ever using those options. Therefore they should be written out of the app altogether.

If there is no need for them they shouldn't be in the app. If they are needed then a hamburger menu isn't the right place.

In the quote, they are the tertiary functions. They should be written out of the app.

Author:  leeds_manc [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:41 pm ]
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But "works perfectly well" is JUST AN OPINION and everyone is different. You can pander to the common denominator however you want, but you will never make a perfect app to satisfy all people, the hamburger dump is, to my mind essential, non-fussy, it is made better by its ugliness, its ease, only press this if you know what you're doing.

And I know what I'm doing, so I like pressing it.

Author:  leeds_manc [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:43 pm ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
Power users?
It's a browser.
You're a power browser then?


Yes.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:47 pm ]
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leeds_manc wrote:
But "works perfectly well" is JUST AN OPINION and everyone is different. You can pander to the common denominator however you want, but you will never make a perfect app to satisfy all people, the hamburger dump is, to my mind essential, non-fussy, it is made better by its ugliness, its ease, only press this if you know what you're doing.

And I know what I'm doing, so I like pressing it.
So the vast majority of users suffer with a part of the app that they will never use and gets in the way to pander to the desires of people who would like to use an app that they can customise.

If customisation was so important in an app (think settings in iOS) then it should be given a whole section in the app.

I'm not saying that customisation shouldn't be there. I'm saying design it properly in to the app. Don't just dump it in a hamburger menu and give it no thought.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:57 pm ]
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leeds_manc wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
Power users?
It's a browser.
You're a power browser then?


Yes.


The concept tickles me.
Yes, I don't feel properly in control of clicking links and reading unless I have a debug script window available at all times.
It's faintly ludicrous.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:19 pm ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
leeds_manc wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
Power users?
It's a browser.
You're a power browser then?


Yes.


The concept tickles me.
Yes, I don't feel properly in control of clicking links and reading unless I have a debug script window available at all times.
It's faintly ludicrous.
I also thought something similar.

I can understand people wanting to debug a site they're writing or a web service they're creating. Or even seeing live usage stats from their server. But on a mobile phone?

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