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Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:24 am ]
Post subject:  BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

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The BBC has revealed how it plans to mark the centenary of World War I.

Programming and events will span four years, across television, radio and online, from 2014-2018, echoing the time frame of the war itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24552194

Hopefully it won‘t be the celebration David cameron is reported to have wanted last week.

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David Cameron said he wanted to see a "commemoration that, like the Diamond Jubilee celebrations, says something about who we are as a people".

Paxman told the Radio Times that centenary events should "have almost nothing in common" with the Jubilee.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24440923

Mark it, respect it, remember it: yes. Turn it into an excuse for flag waving and street parties: absolutely not.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

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David Cameron said he wanted to see a "commemoration that, like the Diamond Jubilee celebrations, says something about who we are as a people".

So that'll be a procession of tax dodgers in limousines led by a carriage full of Bullingdon club members being dragged along by four people ATOS have passed fit for work, who get replaced as they die? Followed by a band of zero hours contract workers playing "Things Can Only Get better"?

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:47 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Mark it, respect it, remember it: yes. Turn it into an excuse for flag waving and street parties: absolutely not.

It could culminate in 2018 a celebration

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

He said he wanted it to have a thing in common with the Jubilee, not to be identical to it. He specified the thing he wanted them to hold in common, which was not flags or street parties.

I know you hate the man, but you shouldn't allow your disdain to lead you into blatant misrepresentation. His desire is vacuous enough that you can show contempt for the idea itself without any need to lie about what it is.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

I can see people celebrating the end of WW2 as it marked the end of a major evil.
WW1 on the other hand was a complete waste of time that many people just aren't interested in.

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

I'm from the Somme and WW1 has always been around me day to day.
I think the ceremonies will be good. It's important to remember so that you don't have 250,000 names war memorials anymore.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:36 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
I can see people celebrating the end of WW2 as it marked the end of a major evil.
WW1 on the other hand was a complete waste of time that many people just aren't interested in.

True but it set up the all the key drivers that culminated in WW2. It was the onerous payments that destabilised Germany that allowed the far right to rise to power. In some ways the same onerous payments imposed on the Greeks has also allowed the far right there to gain popularity. It seems we have learned nothing.

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

ShockWaffle wrote:
He said he wanted it to have a thing in common with the Jubilee, not to be identical to it. He specified the thing he wanted them to hold in common, which was not flags or street parties.

I know you hate the man, but you shouldn't allow your disdain to lead you into blatant misrepresentation. His desire is vacuous enough that you can show contempt for the idea itself without any need to lie about what it is.


Just to add - I didn’t put words into his mouth. I did point out that it should not be some jolly knees-up of an affair. I believe I was careful enough to make that clear. My concerns reflect those of Paxman and others:
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"A number of distinguished fellow citizens, like the poet laureate Carol Ann Duffy and the thoughtful musician Brian Eno, are worried that the events will turn into a celebration of war. Only a moron would 'celebrate' the war," he [Jeremy Paxman] added.

He added: "We shouldn't 'celebrate' the outbreak of the First World War. But not to recognise that it was one of the most consequential events in our history would just be perverse."


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One of my personal hopes is that the BBC Re-runs Wings - a story of an RFC pilot during WWI. It seems slowly paced compared to modern dramas, but holds its own pretty well after all these years. It was on DVD for a while - you can find it on YouTube if you are feeling naughty. I’d recommend a viewing.

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

Amnesia10 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
I can see people celebrating the end of WW2 as it marked the end of a major evil.
WW1 on the other hand was a complete waste of time that many people just aren't interested in.

True but it set up the all the key drivers that culminated in WW2. It was the onerous payments that destabilised Germany that allowed the far right to rise to power. In some ways the same onerous payments imposed on the Greeks has also allowed the far right there to gain popularity. It seems we have learned nothing.

Did you get that from a Ladybird book?

The rise of Nazism isn't explicable in a single sentence, nor is it reducible to a single factor. Comparison between war reparations and sovereign debt is dubious at best, and the implicit comparison between the humiliation of a mighty nation defeated in a brutal war and anything involving Greece is absurd.

You are just indulging yet another of your risible catastrophe fantasies.

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

paulzolo wrote:
Just to add - I didn’t put words into his mouth.

Where did you get the bit about street parties from?

Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

TheFrenchun wrote:
I'm from the Somme and WW1 has always been around me day to day.
I think the ceremonies will be good. It's important to remember so that you don't have 250,000 names war memorials anymore.

Those who forget the lesson of the past etc. I'm all for celebrating the end of war or indeed the centenary of doing so. I think any ceremony around the anniversary of the opening of war has got to be very carefully handled indeed.

I don't know about 'good', I'm hoping for 'tasteful'.

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:30 pm ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Just to add - I didn’t put words into his mouth.

Where did you get the bit about street parties from?


The phrase “Diamond Jubilee Celebrations”. I did not say that David Cameron wanted street parties. What I said was “Mark it, respect it, remember it: yes. Turn it into an excuse for flag waving and street parties: absolutely not.” This was not intended to put words into Cameron’s mouth. Did I do that? I think not. It was my opinion, which reflects those from Paxman and others who are urging caution and a more sombre approach.

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBC reveals 2,500-hour World War I season

paulzolo wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Just to add - I didn’t put words into his mouth.

Where did you get the bit about street parties from?


The phrase “Diamond Jubilee Celebrations”. I did not say that David Cameron wanted street parties. What I said was “Mark it, respect it, remember it: yes. Turn it into an excuse for flag waving and street parties: absolutely not.” This was not intended to put words into Cameron’s mouth. Did I do that? I think not. It was my opinion, which reflects those from Paxman and others who are urging caution and a more sombre approach.

That's a bit mealy mouthed isn't it? You had the quote from Cameron, it says "he wanted to see a "commemoration that, like the Diamond Jubilee celebrations, says something about who we are as a people"."

If I say a horse and a zebra are a lot alike, I am not saying that horses have stripes. Likewise Cameron obviously wasn't saying that the war should be memorialized as a jubilee celebration. Paxman, and thoughtful musician Brian Eno might be idiots who can't spot that distinction, but I expect better from you.

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