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Author:  pcernie [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Bring on the ugly women

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When women of a more ravaged complexion and double chin start appearing on our TV screens then equality may finally have arrived. Liz Boulter calls for an 'equal ugliness' campaign

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Can you imagine Brian Taylor of BBC Scotland as a woman? ( :lol: )

I think of it as the Brian Taylor benchmark. The BBC Scotland political editor is an accomplished journalist, and very engaging when reporting to camera, but he’d probably be the first to admit he’s not exactly god’s gift. Now try to imagine him as a woman. Or rather try to imagine an overweight grey-haired woman in her late 50s – and with an impressive double chin – as a BBC reporter or newsreader. Impossible isn’t it?

I’m sorry to get personal about Brian. Hell, no I’m not. Women on TV and in public life have had to put up with comments about their appearance ever since they have been in public life and on telly. I’m sure Brian’s big enough to take it on the, er, chin.

Arguments and court cases have concentrated on age discrimination in television – but that is the more objectively measurable factor. Men of all ages can still be on the BBC when they’re fat or less than gorgeous in some other way. Nick Robinson’s glasses and bald head didn’t stop him winning the political editor job, but if you’re female you seem to need the looks of an Emily Maitlis or Fiona Bruce – as well as talent – to be successful.

In Jane Eyre, the unpleasant Blanche Ingram declares that an ugly woman is a blot on the fair face of creation, while men need possess only strength and valour. How disappointed would early feminist Charlotte Bronte be that, getting on for 200 years and many improvements in women’s lot later, creation – or rather broadcasting – has not learned to see beyond a woman’s looks?

So, on behalf of those of us with ravaged faces (thanks Janis Joplin), I’m calling for an equal ugliness campaign – in the hope that one day a female foreign correspondent with all the physical allure of (BBC North America editor) Mark Mardell will be seen handing over to an anchor who could be (BBC Art's Editor) Will Gompertz’s twin sister. We’ll be a lot further down the road to equality when that can happen – without anyone thinking it worth commenting on.


http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/ ... ugly-women

I'd be interested in your thoughts on that, it's something that goes around my head all the time when watching the news and other programmes. For instance I think Fiona Bruce hams it up something shocking, so I'd sooner somebody less glamorous (for want of a better word) but more capable did the job.

I don't hold out much hope though when you see male presenters dying their hair and the likes of ITV thinking hiring Susie Reid will solve all their problems.

You've also got the question of how many men and women are watching shows in part because they fancy the presenter, or, as quite a few women have said to me, 'I like to have a nosey at what the women are wearing'*... Actually, I could see a lot of women getting pissed off if the news for instance went 'less glam' :? :|

* My mother will sit for hours watching the shopping channel types discuss cushions, so I could believe it.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bring on the ugly women

One doesn't like to be indelicate, but there are a fair few female correspondents on the BBC News channel who, while I absolutely respect their ability to communicate complex issues very well, patently didn't get the job because of their looks. It seems to me that the ones who sit behind the desk linking the reports together tend to be the ones you can believe were chosen because they were photogenic, both male and female, whereas the specialists are very much more 'do you know your stuff and can you explain it properly'.

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bring on the ugly women

How about getting more attractive men on TV instead of uglier women?
TV is a visual media, surely appearance is important. * tongue in cheek*

I'd still vote for Alan Hansen presenting everything, and I don't even like football.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bring on the ugly women

TheFrenchun wrote:
How about getting more attractive men on TV instead of uglier women?
TV is a visual media, surely appearance is important. * tongue in cheek*.

Seems to me you don't get to be a male newsreader in the UK until you're at least 40. If there's one obvious difference it's that women get pushed forward earlier, but men last in the post longer.

Author:  big_D [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bring on the ugly women

People trust older men newsreaders, because they have 'experience', on the other hand female newsreaders seem to be chosen for looks and often don't last as long - just look at the number of Hollywood film made addressing this issue!

On the other hand, here in Germany there are several more mature women who run news magazines and gossip shows, though they are still 'good looking'.

But with a chancellor like Angela, there are a number of more robust women appearing on TV now, which I find good.

Author:  oceanicitl [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:51 am ]
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Women become invisible as they get older, generally men don't as much.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bring on the ugly women

big_D wrote:
People trust older men newsreaders, because they have 'experience', on the other hand female newsreaders seem to be chosen for looks and often don't last as long - just look at the number of Hollywood film made addressing this issue!

Not sure we can use Hollywood as a reliable witness :).

big_D wrote:
On the other hand, here in Germany there are several more mature women who run news magazines and gossip shows, though they are still 'good looking'.

Well it's not a universal rule - There are a couple of older women doing regular stints on the BBC news channel and in fact their 8:30-10:30 slot seems to be a slot they present all the time - I can't remember the woman who used to do that but she's gone off to be the head of BBC News's China office. has short blond hair. Plus Maxime Mahwinny has been the regular Saturday morning anchor on both the news channel and BBC 1 News since, well, ages.

In fact if I'm honest, I can't actually think of any young (say less than 30) female news anchors on the BBC. Kate Silverton's probably youngest and she's in her 30's I think.

(EDIT: according to wikipedia, Kate Silverton is 43. Sophie Long is the youngest of the regular anchors and she's 38).

big_D wrote:
But with a chancellor like Angela, there are a number of more robust women appearing on TV now, which I find good.

Be interesting to see who the news anchors were when Mrs. T. was in power...

At the end of it, I don't personally mind that anchor presenter role is partially about looks. They're window dressing, almost ornamental in fact and who has ugly ornaments? As long as the specialist correspondents - the ones who have to know their stuff and interpret rather than the just report the news - are good at their job, how they look is irrelevant to me.

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