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Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Well I have managed to break my ankle at work yesterday and I spent a few hours at A&E to get things checked out. Thankfully all I have is a very painful sprain and a small fracture but I did participate in a study to see if a tuning fork could detect a fracture in the ankle. I know it sounds (pun not intended) odd but I can see how sound waves could be used for to replace the need to x-ray and therefore reduce the exposure to radiation.
In a few months I will have a telephone conversation to check how it went etc and receive a £10 voucher for my troubles :D
Author:  Fogmeister [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Sounds cool.

I had an MRI scan where they asked if they could experiment with a new method that meant the could do away with contrast fluid for the scan.

I did it but I didn't get any money for it. :(

Anything to aid medical research though.
Author:  finlay666 [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Fogmeister wrote:
Anything to aid medical research though.


No harm in helping out while you are there ;)
Author:  EddArmitage [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Fogmeister wrote:
I had an MRI scan...

My stoopid surgeon keeps trying to send me for MRIs! Plonker!
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
If a Doc tried to diagnose me with a tuning fork rather than an xray, I'd want a second opinion pronto.
Author:  nvj1662 [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
l3v1ck wrote:
If a Doc tried to diagnose me with a tuning fork rather than an xray, I'd want a second opinion pronto.

I think i'd ask to be transposed to a different key practice. ;)
Author:  trigen_killer [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
There's nothing wrong in principal, and to see if it works in practice requires experimentation. Experimentation requires subjects and as there's no harm done then I would willingly volunteer.
Author:  finlay666 [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
nvj1662 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
If a Doc tried to diagnose me with a tuning fork rather than an xray, I'd want a second opinion pronto.

I think i'd ask to be transposed to a different key practice. ;)


Maybe they should change their tune ;)
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Not all fractures can be picked up on X-ray. I remember one lady who had had a fall. But apart from pain, she was able to stand and walk normally. X-ray ruled out any fractures. She came back in because physiotherapy wasn't working and a CT scan showed there was a very fine fracture. It got fixed and she was okay but if a tuning fork could have detected it when an X-ray couldn't, surely it would be a better discriminating test?
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
EddArmitage wrote:
Fogmeister wrote:
I had an MRI scan...

My stoopid surgeon keeps trying to send me for MRIs! Plonker!



Why is that a bad thing? I was amazed at the results they got when I had my knee done. So much more useful than an X-Ray. Kinda cool looking at why your knee's buggered in colourful 3D maps than an X-Ray.
Author:  bally199 [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
ProfessorF wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
Fogmeister wrote:
I had an MRI scan...

My stoopid surgeon keeps trying to send me for MRIs! Plonker!



Why is that a bad thing? I was amazed at the results they got when I had my knee done. So much more useful than an X-Ray. Kinda cool looking at why your knee's buggered in colourful 3D maps than an X-Ray.


Yeah, I had one on my collarbones when I broke them (Broke both at the same time! Chuffing motocross. :P) and it's awesome. Can see like "into" your skin in full HD, compared to the 128x128 Gameboy screen that is an X-ray, if you get that analogy. :D
Author:  Coref [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
I wonder if the vibrations would be enough to cause pain to the fracture, especially if there's some resonance going on.
Author:  EddArmitage [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
ProfessorF wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
Fogmeister wrote:
I had an MRI scan...

My stoopid surgeon keeps trying to send me for MRIs! Plonker!

Why is that a bad thing? I was amazed at the results they got when I had my knee done. So much more useful than an X-Ray. Kinda cool looking at why your knee's buggered in colourful 3D maps than an X-Ray.

This was hours after I'd been on the table and he'd been putting metal work into my knee. He's a brilliant surgeon, just a bit clumsy and forgetful.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
Coref wrote:
I wonder if the vibrations would be enough to cause pain to the fracture, especially if there's some resonance going on.

That's exactly what I thought. It shouldn't cause as much pain if there was no fracture and it was all just soft tissue injury.
Author:  Coref [ Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tuning forks to diagnose fractures
cloaked_wolf wrote:
Coref wrote:
I wonder if the vibrations would be enough to cause pain to the fracture, especially if there's some resonance going on.

That's exactly what I thought. It shouldn't cause as much pain if there was no fracture and it was all just soft tissue injury.


Maybe they'll use a decibel meter for diagnosis then. It's have the added benefit of reducing queues in A & E as people change their mind. :twisted:
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