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Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Is Chelmsford a City?

I ask because Radio Two [redacted adjective] idiot Sarah Kennedy referred to it as such this morning. We have a cathedral, albeit a small one, but as far as I know it’s never been awarded “city status” (despite a campaign during the turn of the millennium). So what’s the criteria for being a “city”? Is a cathedral enough, or is there more?

Author:  John_Vella [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

I think that, although their have been rumours floating about for years, unless you have proof about the person mentioned, I would be very careful as that could be construed as slander. Or is it libel? :P

Author:  HeatherKay [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

My home town, Guildford, has been trying for city status for years.

It has a cathedral, a university, a large hospital, hosts the county show and is the county town of Surrey.

It's still just a town, though. Rochester, however, is a city while barely being larger than a small village.

To answer your question, though, here's the wikicliki.

Author:  Linux_User [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

paulzolo wrote:
I ask because Radio Two drunken idiot Sarah Kennedy referred to it as such this morning. We have a cathedral, albeit a small one, but as far as I know it’s never been awarded “city status” (despite a campaign during the turn of the millennium). So what’s the criteria for being a “city”? Is a cathedral enough, or is there more?


Critieria for city is thus:

If the Queen says it's a city then it's a city. Everyone else need not apply.

Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

John_Vella wrote:
I think that, although their have been rumours floating about for years, unless you have proof about the person mentioned, I would be very careful as that could be construed as slander. Or is it libel? :P


I have removed the offending word then.

Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

HeatherKay wrote:
My home town, Guildford, has been trying for city status for years.

It has a cathedral, a university, a large hospital, hosts the county show and is the county town of Surrey.

It's still just a town, though. Rochester, however, is a city while barely being larger than a small village.


Not any more, apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_statu ... _Rochester

Chelmsford was considering two routes at the time of the millennium - either it was going to become a business centre - which would have meant the building of a lot of office blocks and towers, or it would become a market town. I think it’s chosen the market town option, which I think is actually better as it won’t end up like Basildon.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

paulzolo wrote:


This is true, although apparently the authorities have written to Her Maj to see if it can be rectified. Locally, most people still refer to it as a city, and the tourist people market it has a city.

Author:  EddArmitage [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

HeatherKay wrote:
My home town, Guildford, has been trying for city status for years.

And very nice it is too, and it's where I spend weekends when I'm here.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

EddArmitage wrote:
And very nice it is too


Really? I know it's effectively a foreign country to me since I've not lived there for over 20 years, but even when I did live there I thought the place sucked.

The one-way system is a work of art, as is the Friary Centre. Last time I tried to walk up the cobbled High Street, it was full of jewellers and shoe shops.

It doesn't pay to go back to places you knew in your youth, I find.

Author:  finlay666 [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

Chelmsford is the county town of Essex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford

Question solved :)

Author:  JohnSheridan [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

Reminds me of Milton Keynes.

The number of times I hear people calling it a "city" when it is not is quite annoying - delusions of grandeur and all that.

Author:  finlay666 [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

JohnSheridan wrote:
Reminds me of Milton Keynes.

The number of times I hear people calling it a "city" when it is not is quite annoying - delusions of grandeur and all that.


I believe the correct adjective for MK is "Roundabouttown"

Author:  HeatherKay [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

JohnSheridan wrote:
The number of times I hear people calling it a "city" when it is not is quite annoying - delusions of grandeur and all that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Key ... ew_City.22

It's understandable when the early references to the new town included notions of updating the "garden city" ideal. I have friends who live in Stony Stratford, and they often referred to "going to the city centre" if they were headed to the huge shopping centre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Key ... _forest.22

Author:  stu_1701 [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

The way I look at it is this:

Having a Cathedral effectively makes a place eligible to apply for city status - it is then up to the powers that be (as already mentioned, HM) to decide.

That's why I hate it when people call Brighton a city. It's not. Its just a large town which happens to have merged with Hove to form a rather lacklustre urbanised seaside resort (which some Londoners still seem to think is posh :roll: )

Author:  EddArmitage [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Chelmsford a City?

HeatherKay wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
And very nice it is too


Really? I know it's effectively a foreign country to me since I've not lived there for over 20 years, but even when I did live there I thought the place sucked.

We're talking relative here. And relative to Farnborough. There's things other than concrete there, for starters, although I still head back to Bath most weekends.

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