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Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Spidey 4 dead, Raimi and Maguire out, studio rebooting
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43595

Personally I'm glad, I thought the only one that was remotely tight was the first, and even it was pretty meh :(

This new reboot sounds like the Ultimate series, which makes me wonder if they'll try to tie it into any upcoming Marvel films further down the line (though that'll be studio politics on a grand scale :oops: )

Re. origin story. They're gonna need one just to essentially explain it's a reboot to a whole new bunch of kids I reckon, if nothing else :?
Author:  timark_uk [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:36 am ]
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There was enough time between the new Bat Man films and the new new Bat Man films for it to not matter very much. Now, however I don't think enough time has passed between Spider-Man 3 and this new new Spider-Man that's to be released in two years.
Maybe by that time my opinion will change, but at the moment it seems a little premature to make this announcement.
I expect they hope to learn something from the Smallville series and it's longevity and want to translate that into a film series. I don't know, I'm just guessing.

Mark
Author:  Spreadie [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:52 am ]
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Meh. The first one was okay, the second one did nothing for me and the third was a turd.
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:00 am ]
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Spreadie wrote:
Meh. The first one was okay, the second one did nothing for me and the third was a turd.


+1 :oops: , and the same to what Mark said :)
Author:  okenobi [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:28 am ]
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Umm, no. Spidey 2 was a definite improvement on Spidey 1. Better villian, pre-requisite "hero wants to give up" bit, better action, better score, more MJ action, better Bruce Campbell cameo, no origin to get bogged down in, consequently better pace and less great power/great responsibility. Spidey 3 was, well yeah, a little bit nonsense.

I very much doubt that Sony will want to cooperate with Marvel to the extent that this is weaved into the fabric of the Iron Man/Avengers/Cap/Hulk universe. If Sony and Fox let it go and allow both Spidey and the X-Men in, that could be something special, but I can't see it personally. They're gonna hang onto their property tight. In fact, I would suggest that's why Raimi is gone. Studios are like that. And thanks to the majority of the dumbass movie-going public the studio is usually proved right fiscally.

Mark, I agree that there hasn't been enough time. That said, I'm reserving judgement until we get our new cast and crew. There's plenty of other Marvel action on the way in the meantime....
Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:32 pm ]
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Now that Disney own Marvel, we can expect to see some fluffy bunnies, a few musical numbers....
Author:  EddArmitage [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:57 pm ]
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timark_uk wrote:
There was enough time between the new Bat Man films and the new new Bat Man films

Am I being dense? I can't work out what it's meant to say :oops: I'm not sure what I make of the Spider-Man films, or if I've even seen the second one. Hmmmm.

<eddit>Brain engaged - I guess it was between the old and new Bat Man films. Sorry for my n00bishness, almighty Mr. Ark, leader of all that is good and free in this galaxy and many others</eddit>
Author:  rustybucket [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:33 pm ]
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Not seen No.3 here - No.1 was bad enough to put me off forever.

The only remotely redeeming feature was KD's tits in that rainy scene.
Author:  Geiseric [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:43 pm ]
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Personally I liked them all but hay I am easily pleased....... :lol:
Author:  timark_uk [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:33 pm ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
<eddit>Sorry for my n00bishness, almighty Mr. Ark, leader of all that is good and free in this galaxy and many others</eddit>
You're always coming up with the signature worthy quotes, Edd.

Mark
Author:  timark_uk [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:46 pm ]
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okenobi wrote:
Mark, I agree that there hasn't been enough time. That said, I'm reserving judgement until we get our new cast and crew. There's plenty of other Marvel action on the way in the meantime....
Cast 'n' crew don't really bother me; I was well hyped when I heard that Sam Raimi was doing the first spidey film, and that turned out to be a rather underwhelming experience, so unless Ridley Scott does the next one, I'm not really interested in who does it.
As for cast, I'm getting used to roles being swippy-swapped by different actors now, so even that's not really a problem for me, and if they do go ahead with the Smallville route the chances are that it'll be full of "teen" actors that I won't have heard of anyway, so there's really no point in sweating it.
I just hope it's not another CGI fest, because there are parts of all three Raimi spidey films that looked sub-par even compared to computer games. They certainly weren't up to feature film standards.

Mark
Author:  okenobi [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:28 pm ]
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timark_uk wrote:
okenobi wrote:
Mark, I agree that there hasn't been enough time. That said, I'm reserving judgement until we get our new cast and crew. There's plenty of other Marvel action on the way in the meantime....
Cast 'n' crew don't really bother me; I was well hyped when I heard that Sam Raimi was doing the first spidey film, and that turned out to be a rather underwhelming experience, so unless Ridley Scott does the next one, I'm not really interested in who does it.
As for cast, I'm getting used to roles being swippy-swapped by different actors now, so even that's not really a problem for me, and if they do go ahead with the Smallville route the chances are that it'll be full of "teen" actors that I won't have heard of anyway, so there's really no point in sweating it.
I just hope it's not another CGI fest, because there are parts of all three Raimi spidey films that looked sub-par even compared to computer games. They certainly weren't up to feature film standards.

Mark


When I say "cast and crew", I mean is there somebody interesting that might bring something worth watching. For example, I happen to think Fred Molina was well worth watching. James Franco is always superb. If Steve Spielberg wanted to make a Spidey, are you saying you wouldn't go see it just on that basis? I would (but then I am a total geek. Not you're not not I suppose).

I suppose I disagree that Spidey was underwhelming. Raimi did a great job IMO. You mentioned the Smallville route elsewhere. What exactly do you mean? Young unknowns? Constantly evolving stories? Loose approach to adapting comic properties? I absolutely LOVE Smallville and I've seen every single one. It's been on a hell of a journey and I've really enjoyed go it too.

I totally agree on the CGI. Spidey swinging through the streets nearly always looked like the 90s cartoon. That doesn't mean that CGI can't be good. I just don't understand how some movies can do it so well (Superman Returns, Avatar, LOTR, Star Trek) and some are bloody awful in places (T3, Matrix Reloaded).
Author:  timark_uk [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:54 pm ]
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okenobi wrote:
If Steve Spielberg wanted to make a Spidey, are you saying you wouldn't go see it just on that basis?
I wouldn't rule it out just because he (for example) directed it, then again it wouldn't automatically mean that I would go and see it for the self same reason.
As I said above only Ridley Scott directing it will get me to see it no matter what (not that he hasn't had his stinkers … G.I. Jane being the main offender).
okenobi wrote:
I suppose I disagree that Spidey was underwhelming.
You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, no matter how wrong it is. (8+)
okenobi wrote:
You mentioned the Smallville route elsewhere. What exactly do you mean?
You touched upon it in your questions … Smallville had a lot to overcome in it's first few seasons, not least which was it's reliance on "monster of the week" syndrome.
It took a fresh approach to the whole Superman mythos. It's proven to be a very successful formulae. Young unknown actors taking on very established characters and then slowly bending the established paths to their own strengths.
Smallville is a great example of how to do episodic film-making right.
You could easily condense each and every season of the show down to it's main story arc and you'd have a very strong film. That's about 9 films you'd have by now.

Mark
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:28 pm ]
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okenobi wrote:
Umm, no. Spidey 2 was a definite improvement on Spidey 1. Better villian, pre-requisite "hero wants to give up" bit, better action, better score, more MJ action, better Bruce Campbell cameo, no origin to get bogged down in, consequently better pace and less great power/great responsibility. Spidey 3 was, well yeah, a little bit nonsense.


Spidey 2 had some great scenes, but that doesn't matter when you're mostly watching a romance that Twilight fans would be ashamed of :oops:

Maguire was just too drippy and sad puppy eyes as Peter for me throughout the series, which made him going dark and dancing etc in the third even harder to take :(

When it's handled right, all of the above in the comics actually adds to the action scenes if you get me, without reading those bits super-quickly to get to the action... Speaking of which, throughout the series I was often more interested in the Campbell cameos and JJJ appearances than I was in some of the bigger action scenes! Though that may be down to Maguire overall - you really do need to care about who's behind the mask...
Author:  okenobi [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:07 am ]
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Well I like a bit of romance. It makes up for the drastic lack of it(/bitterness) in real life.

I agree, Bruce and JK are highlights. Doc Ock was superb though and combined with the whole Goblin/revenge angle made it a lot more meaty a story than the first one.

Mark, I don't think I've ever heard someone praise Smallville so eloquently. Bravo good sir.
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