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CAMPAIGNERS are fighting to prevent a sexually explicit American TV series about the Roman Empire from hitting Britain, it emerged yesterday.

Spartacus: Blood And Sand has featured full-frontal nudity, extreme violence and explicit scenes of orgies since it first aired in the US in January.

The show, which stars Scottish actor John Hannah and pulled in more than a million viewers this week, is looking for a post-watershed UK home.

But MediaWatch UK, the lobby group which campaigns for higher standards in broadcasting, says the programme should not be allowed in Britain, even late at night.

“We can no longer ignore the fact that what viewers see on television has an impact on society,” said outraged director Vivienne Pattison. “Even the Government is asking the producers of soap operas to include safe-sex messages in their programmes now. There are numerous studies linking exposure to violence on TV with violent behaviour at large and if there is the slightest possibility that explicit sex and violence on screen can cause this harm, is it worth the risk in the interests of entertainment?”

The lobby group – which was set up in 1965 by Mary Whitehouse – also said it was concerned that children might eventually find the programme online. “Once this programme is shown on television it will be much easier for children to access – particularly via video-on-demand online services,” she added.

“Ofcom research shows that fewer than a third of parents use the password-protected services available to screen what their children can access.” The controversial TV show focuses loosely on the historical figure of Spartacus – a Thracian gladiator who led a major slave uprising against the Roman Republic in 73BC.

In the drama, renegade slave Spartacus, played by actor Andy Whitfield, is purchased by ruthless Batiatus and his wife Lucretia and forced to fight in the gladiatorial arena. In some of the most explicit scenes seen on TV, the cast often appear fully naked acting out graphic sexual scenes.

The violence of some of the gladiatorial scenes is stomach-churning. In the latest episode, Hannah – who starred in Four Weddings And A Funeral – and actress Lucy Lawless stripped off in a bathing scene. Lawless plays Lucretia and Hannah is Batiatus.

The episode notched more than a million viewers and the series is steadily picking up fans across America. Episode nine, to be screened next week, is simply entitled “Whore” in the TV listings. “I think a lot of people are going to be shocked and they are going to shut off their televisions,” said Lawless.

The Netherlands, which has a more relaxed attitude to censoring, has already snapped up the steamy drama with many independent UK broadcasters said to be keen to follow. In Australia the Seven Network has bought the rights and will likely air it on channel 7two.

The show is currently broadcast US cable network Starz.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/161 ... rom-our-TV

And here's a trailer to give you an idea of what to expect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHxn8mTp ... r_embedded

OK, do you think TV's going too far this time?

Concerned at the direction it's been heading in for some time?

Or do you think, as I do, that as long as this sort of thing is on later in the evening it isn't really a problem?

I'll certainly be watching it, especially as it's little different to the sort of films that wind up on TV anyway :?

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Looks like 300 with women. I'd watch it and don't see a problem with it being shown after the watershed, that's what it is there for.

If it is banned from broadcast it will just be downloaded anyway.

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Provided it's on past the watershed, and I'd expect this to be on after 10 pm anyway, I really don't see this as a problem.
It's up to parents to ensure their children viewing is appropriate and if they can't tell that something on after the watershed might not be suitable for kids then they really shouldn't be having kids in the first place.

Ancient Rome was well know for being a fairly violent place (in terms of its public entertainment) and there have been plenty of raunchy Rome based things on before (Rome for instance).

You either trust peoples judgement or you don't and I'm sick of being told I can't make up my own mind and that I need protecting. I'm perfectly capable of making those decisions myself.

I especially like the concern that kids might find the program online once it's broadcast. These people seem to have a problem working out that broadcast means in any country and as it's already being shown in the states it's already available online.

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This is a tough one. I do feel that sensationalism does sometimes get the better of realism, but it does depend on what the aim is of the program/movie in question.

Take these two films as examples- War of the Worlds (Tom Cruise) and Signs. As alien invasion movies go, they were both pretty lousy, but if that's your opinion, then you kind of missed the point. The former is about fatherhood and the second about faith, both set against the background of alien invasion. Neither one needs gratuitous violence, exploding things and blood everywhere and yet there are many films about alien invasion or humans V aliens where combat, blood and explosions are central to the theme of the presentation.

Take these two war movies as examples of the old traditional and the new way of doing things. The Longest Day- When someone gets shot, he grabs his chest and collapses quietly to the ground. Saving Private Ryan- dismembered bodies being blown thirty feet into the air and blood spouting out all over the place. Sensationalism or realism? My vote is definitely for the latter. War is not pretty.

How about these two cop related presentations. Dixon of Dock Green- Evening All. Bad Boys- (something like) Get down on the [LIFTED] floor, mother [LIFTER]. My vote would be for sensationalism as the chances are with the US justice system a case would probably be dismissed if the cops didn't call a drug dealing, murdering gang member, Sir! But does it add to the movie? Yes, in that kind of movie it does. When Richard Prior would start to swear gratuitously in a movie, it often made me cringe. So, it is sensationalism, but it is in context even if not quite true to reality (IMHO)

Take these two programs which are very closely related. Quincy and Silent Witness. In Quincy we hardly even see that there is a body on the table. In Silent Witness, we not only see bodies being cut open, but organs being dissected and stomach contents being emptied into a bowl. Both are realistic, but one puts us more in touch with the reality of the job at hand- If you can't hack it, don't watch it!!

So, to Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Is it realistic? From what I understand, it's about a gladiator/slave and if it shows blood and gore in the arena, then that's a big YES from me. Were the Romans big on sex and debauchery? Yes, AFAIK, so is nudity and sex realistic? Yes. Does it add something to the program to show gratuitous violence and lots of sex? I can't say because I haven't seen the program and can't say whether it's relevant.

To be honest, I'm not that big on on-screen sex/nudity. If I want to see that kind of thing (much more realistically) I know where to go. As for violence, I don't mind it in context although sometimes (especially Quentin Tarantino movies) it does make me cringe.

My vote- Stop being a [LIFTED] nanny state and show us the [LIFTED] program.

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My vote- Stop being a [LIFTED] nanny state and show us the [LIFTED] program.

After the watershed +1

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Meh

Go for it; it can't be any more debauched than the Romans actually were.

Oh and, for the record,......

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I've seen a couple of episodes and got the impression that they saw the Wire and decided to do something with more swearing. It's C word city man. Most of the gory fighting scenes are not at all realistic, thanks to a stylised blood spurting special effect they use a lot. And, while the sheer amount of gratuitous nudity made me laugh, the gratuitous shagging is nothing usual.

One thing that is annoying though is the constant Lord of the Rings style fake antique syntax. That should be banned.


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Do they use the C word in it? I can't see that working in the context :o

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Some very good comparisons


When Starship Troopers was first shown on TV, after the watershed, about the only scene I could see that had been cut from the original release was when Dizzy was stabbed/impaled by a warrior bug. Of all the gore they removed a stabbing, and yet in other films such as Zulu, many people get stabbed on a weekend afternoon. There is a difference in the visualisation but I wonder if history gets a certain amount of leeway.

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I'm half an half. I like my gore, but at the same time all TV appears to be heading in the direction of more swearing/sex/violence/shouting and it annoys me. That being said, if it's in context, realistic and makes for good viewing, then woohoo! :-)


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It's C word city man.

One thing that is annoying though is the constant Lord of the Rings style fake antique syntax. That should be banned.

That will get the historians moaning. Maybe we will have a rule about only one historical inaccuracy per episode. :D

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I have to say Lucy Lawless still looks pretty damned fit. I'd love to see more of her, even though she's over 40 :D

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I have to say Lucy Lawless still looks pretty damned fit. I'd love to see more of her, even though she's over 40 :D

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Do they use the C word in it? I can't see that working in the context :o

Why not? It is latin.


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pcernie wrote:
Do they use the C word in it? I can't see that working in the context :o

Why not? It is latin.

A relationship to Latin cunnus has not been conclusively shown. From Middle English [LIFTED] from Old English *[LIFTED] from West Proto-Germanic *kunte < Proto-Germanic *kunton. Cognate with Frisian kunte, dialectal Swedish kunta, dialectal Danish kunte, Dutch kont (“arse”) and Icelandic kunta

God Wiki is useful for swear words! :D

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