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Author:  pcernie [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:53 pm ]
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Conservative culture front bencher Jeremy Hunt is asking what’s the point of BBC3 and BBC4? It’s a good time to ask the question. In an interview with the Independent, Hunt queried why £100m was being spent, merely to attract "very, very small" audiences.

This is some way short of calling for the channels to be scrapped, as reported today. In fact, Hunt said exactly the same thing last September. It’s also less than the £172m the BBC overspent on three building projects (one of which is the £1bn – that really is billion - makeover of Broadcasting House), the National Audit Office reported last week. But it is a slow week for news.

Last week the BBC tried to pre-empt Tory cuts with a strategy review that committed to Reithian goals (ie quality programming) but which left as little as possible unchanged. 6Music was a token sacrificial lamb – and quite a badly chosen one. So Hunt is simply pointing out the obvious. The two channels are an expensive administrative overhead, if the goal is simply to have more quality.

Both channels broadcast only in the evenings, and only on digital. BBC4 is the corporation’s arts ghetto, set up to take the traditional highbrow programming away from BBC2, leaving it clear for cookery and makeover shows. While BBC3 is supposed to be ... well, what exactly? The remit is to be ‘populist’ and attract young viewers, but since BBC staff rarely venture further north than Muswell Hill, it’s a strange mix of somebody’s idea of what ordinary people might like who has been away a long time, with the emphasis on the demotic. For example the ‘comedy’ has lots of swearing, to cover up the lack of wit.

There’s a funny echo from history here. North London BBC execs have great difficulty trying to imagine who a Daily Express reader might be. Churchill had the same problem.

In his memoirs, Anthony Burgess (who was raised in a Moss Side pub) describes how during World War 2, Churchill would try and engage with the working class. Having no idea who they were, or what they liked, the Prime Minister imagined that they swore a lot, so he’d steam into a crowd effing and blinding. The result was near riots.
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Those buildings again, as this really is an astonishing expenditure on the public dime, that not even professional Beeb-bashers seem to have noticed. The Salford Quays megacity comes in at £877m, housing just 2,500 staff. It isn’t really near anywhere, but the plan is for it to become a "destination". The Broadcasting House renovation was no better, coming in five years late at well over a billion quid. As the Audit Office drily pointed out: "The BBC is not well placed to demonstrate value for money from the £2bn it has committed to spending on the three projects over their life."

As I wrote last week, I suspect that many grumblers don't really dislike the BBC - it's just the Beeb now provides so many reasons for people to dislike its behaviour. ®


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09 ... _bbc4_why/

Newswipe's about the only thing I watch from those channels, and I'm not even sure which one it's on as I search iPlayer for it :oops:

So, what do you think of BBC 3 and 4? Scrap them? Improve them? Think they should show more pie baking programmes? ;)

Author:  james016 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:02 pm ]
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I watch Heroes, Family Guy and some recently finished comedy about teenagers which was quite funny on BBC3. Even then Heroes is shown on BBC2 the following Saturday. I don't think I have ever watched anything on BBC4.

They could be merged so there is one channel and it is shown throughout the day if possible, not from 7pm

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:07 pm ]
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The only reason I watch BBC3 is Family Guy and American Dad. I don't bother with anything else. Given I already have the latest eps of Family Guy and American Dad on my HDD, I wouldn't miss anything if both those channels were sacked.

Author:  rustybucket [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:13 pm ]
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As far as I can make out, BBC4 has all the shows that should be on BBC2 whilst BBC3 has all the shows that should be in the bin.

Author:  timark_uk [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories ask: Why BBC3, BBC4?

BBC 3 gave us Torchwood and Being Human, both of which are very good UK productions.

Mark

Author:  rustybucket [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories ask: Why BBC3, BBC4?

timark_uk wrote:
BBC 3 gave us Torchwood and Being Human, both of which are very good UK productions.

I personally would disagree but I see your point.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:26 pm ]
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The only thing BBC3 is good for it Family Guy in the evenings. BBC4 is totally useless.
I say scrap them and scrap all +1 channels (People have VCR's or HDD recorders). Use the extra bandwidth to broadcast HD Freeview.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:26 pm ]
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With tv recorders and iplayer I don't see any reason why shows need to be repeated on the same or other channels within a week later. With the saved air time you could probably condense the channels and lose at least one of them.

On another note I saw 2001 on the weekend and there was a news report from BBC 12.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:47 pm ]
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Let's face it. +1 channels are just there so advertisers will pay more. The cost of them is minimal as all the programmes are already paid for.

Author:  rustybucket [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:51 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
BBC4 is totally useless.

I disagree

I think that BBC4 is the only one of the four to broadcast anything worth watching. The other three haven't been watched in a loooooooooong time.

However, given that BBC Parliament is my favourite channel, I'm probably not the typical viewer.

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:14 pm ]
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I dont have a PVR and quite often I like to watch one channel (missing a programme) and thrn catching the missed programme on the +1 channel.

Author:  tombolt [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:21 pm ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I dont have a PVR and quite often I like to watch one channel (missing a programme) and thrn catching the missed programme on the +1 channel.


I do have a PVR, but it only records two programs at once, so I often use +1 channels to watch what I can't record because there's too much on at the same time. I wish BBC 1 & 2 had +1 channels.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:09 pm ]
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I said this elsewhere, but it's worth repeating...

The BBC doesn't have to chase ratings. For this reason, I couldn't care less if BBC4 was only watched by two people in Harpenden once a week.

As it is, I watch BBC4, but not BBC3. I used to watch 3 when they put on a decent movie on a Saturday night, but soon stopped after I got annoyed by 60 second news headlines breaks every hour. I guess that's something to do with the public service remit, but it annoyed the heck out of me.

Author:  davrosG5 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:34 pm ]
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BBC 3 is aimed at a younger adult audience and is also where the beeb tries out new comedy and, as has been previously mentioned, things like Being Human. It's essentially a testing ground to see what will later play well on the more mainstream channels.

BBC 4 is the TV equivalent of Radio 4. It's aimed at a more mature audience and has a lot of cultural and arts content that either wouldn't be shown on BBC1/2 or would be on at 2 am or something.

I think both channels have a purpose and should stay.

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:35 pm ]
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BBC 4 is a fine, upstanding channel, when it’s not sowing Paxman-irritating tat (yes, it does have some junk on it), but for the most, it has a lot of good content. I also think that BBC3 has a fair amount of good stuff on it, but a lot of junk too - far more tat than BBC 4 and to be honest, if they took the intelligence of BBC 4 and partnered it with the innovation of BBC 3 and ditched the tat, we’d have a mighty fine channel there.

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