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'Dear Steve: iTunes for Windows is crap...'
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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 |  |  |  | Quote: Apple has engaged in a shock conversation with a man who admits to reading The Register.
Last Friday, after noticing in these pages that Steve Jobs is actually reading and responding to messages from the outside world, Irish software developer Jason Croghan took it upon himself to email the Apple cult leader and inform him that iTunes for Windows is complete crap. But first, he appealed to the man's deepest pathologies by pointing out that Adobe Flash is also complete crap.
"Hi Steve," Croghan wrote. "While I completely agree and admire you on the subject of Flash being bloated and buggy, I think Apple need to get their own house in order first, especially in a related area.
"I understand Windows support isn't high on your agenda, but having an 80MB download for a tremendously bloated and slow interface for my iPhone isn't something I would be proud of. I'm a long time developer for a lot of platforms and I think iTunes for Windows really lets you down. It even makes me sad during my iPhone honeymoon period."
Jobs did not respond. Though it seems he's compelled to respond with his unique brand of reality distortion when someone questions his decision to ban translated code from the iPhone - or when someone simply points out that the H.264 codec is in no way open - criticism of an Apple Windows applications doesn't cut to the heart of the cult leader in quite the same way.
But Croghan did receive a response from Steve Gedikian, the Jobsian minion charged with overseeing the iTunes for Windows product, widely-acknowledged as one of the worst pieces of code Apple has produced in many a year. Gedikian emailed Croghan two days later to say he'd like to speak on the phone, and he called later that day and chatted with the developer for a good half an hour. It wasn't just contact from the cult. The cult was asking for his opinion.
"It was unbelievable, really," Croghan tells The Reg. "He spent 30 minutes asking about iTunes in general, not just the things I had had problems with.
"I told him the graphical interface is slow. I told him the the way the music player is integrated with the app is silly-like. When I click on a music file, I want it to play. I don't want to wait for iTunes to do whatever it's doing. And he seemed to take it all down."
It's worth noting that Gedikian was recently elevated to his post as iTunes senior product manager - at least according to his LinkedIn profile. But it's also worth noting that according to countless stories down the years, an Apple employee's main objective to do whatever they believe Steve Jobs wants them to do. Gedikian told Croghan that Jobs himself had forwarded his email.
"Steve forwards on emails he thinks are interesting," Gedikian said.
In his email to the cult leader, Croghan didn't acknowledge that he reads The Reg. But he admitted as much to Gedikian - and in daring fashion, he asked that Apple pay us some respect. "I told him Apple should give The Reg more credit than they do. I told him The Reg has a huge reader base. I told him that the wit and the sarcasm is what we're looking for."
Apparently, Gedikian giggled. Then he said he'd pass the message on to Apple PR.
That's nice of you, Jason Croghan. But again, you must remember an Apple employee's main objective. Apparently, Steve Jobs has indicated he was less than pleased when we pointed out his inability to say the word Jaguar. ® |  |  |  |  |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07 ... eg_reader/(Links to the Jaguar bit etc there) I point blank refuse to even look at iTunes when people ask me 'what's wrong with it?' 
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Sat May 08, 2010 12:00 am |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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iTunes isn't perfect on Windows, but it's better than most and is still my music player of choice. It's just a shame it doesn't support FLAC.
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Sat May 08, 2010 7:00 am |
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F_A_F
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:52 pm Posts: 266 Location: Truro
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I've always erred away from itunes as a media manager. As a PSP user, I always managed fine with WMP11 and drag & drop to manage my music. It's simply a matter of opening WMP11, right-clicking on an album and selecting Open File Location, then copying what I want. My other half has a Sony MP3 player which seems to sync up fine, no problems. So either syncing or basic file transfers, it's all a doddle.
Is itunes a big system hog? Does it not do what you want/expect it to do? If so, I can never understand why developers/publishers want to make a customer's life harder than it could be.
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Sat May 08, 2010 3:53 pm |
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okenobi
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:59 pm Posts: 4932 Location: Sestriere, Piemonte, Italia
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FLAC support would be great. But I still wouldn't put up with it, because it is slow, bloaty bollocks. Every friend I've known bar one has had extensive issues and there's no need when in principle it's a reasonably capable player on OSX.
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Sat May 08, 2010 5:25 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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I suspect the people who write windows iTunes are completely separate from the people who write mac iTunes (bit the Mac Business Unit at Microsoft). They probably get the code well after the Mac people have finished with it but still have conform to the same deadlines i.e. they have to 'port' the new parts of the app each time on a much shorter timescale than they were developed for MacOS. So I have a degree of sympathy with the poor buggers frankly. You also get the feeling some things are out of their control - for example the way the app doesn't 'play by the windows rules' in terms of the GUI. That's obviously defined by some marketing type, that the app must look as much like the Apple one regardless of fact that the OS it's running on is different. I suspect that if they were just allowed to write a windows app that worked just like iTunes but in a windowsey way, it would be a much better and more stable app. It's a pity because it really isn't very good as a windows app. The management seem to have cottoned on to this with Safari 4, which threw out a lot of the 'mock mac os' stuff and is now a relatively well made windows app. You just have to hope one day the iTunes people will get the same clue. I tire of the Register's spin on the whole mac thing though. Random bloke writes to chief exec of megacorporation and he doesn't personally reply. It's an outrage! Instead he sends the email on to the head of the department that are working on the app the bloke is complaining about. What was he thinking! Head of department rings bloke up(!) and has a detailed conversation, where he seems to be paying proper attention to constructive criticism. The arrogance of them! I mean, really boys, it's getting very old now.
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Sat May 08, 2010 11:18 pm |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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+1 iTunes is a bloated wheezing dog on the PC yet I quite like Safari (in fact Im using it right now  ) on the PC. It just shows to the PC crowd that Apple can write software that functions well, when they can be bothered and iTunes on the PC is something they cant be bothered with.
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