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pcernie
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 |  |  |  | Quote: The widely-discredited Body Mass Index (BMI) method of measuring how fat a person is took another hammering today. Scientists in the USA have announced a study showing that an "overweight" BMI is not linked to poor health at all, and even an "obese" rating seems to be nothing to worry about for under-40s.
“A lot of people make a big deal about those overweight BMIs," said Brant Jarrett of Ohio State university.
"But we didn’t see a difference [in health] between overweight and normal-weight adults across all age groups. For college-age adults, this should help them realize that they don’t have to worry so much if they have a BMI of 27 or 28. Some young people with these BMIs feel like, ‘I’m going to have all these problems, I need to try 50 different diets.’ And what is all that stress and dieting doing to your body? Probably more damage than the extra 15 pounds is.”
British and American health authorities class someone as "overweight" if their BMI lies between 25 and 30, and "obese" after that. BMI statistics underlie the vast majority of "obesity epidemic" headlines, and are often used by the healthcare industry to justify soaring costs.
But according to Jarrett, "overweight" people don't get ill or require medical treatment any more often than "normal" ones. Even the "obese" show no difference until past the age of 40.
Among the over-forties obese people were significantly more likely to be taking medication for a health problem related to physical factors (as opposed to mental conditions, which were removed from the statistics). Even then the difference between norms and fatties was barely bigger than that between men and women - women are much more likely to be on medication than men are.
In fact, normal-BMI US women over 40 are almost as likely to be on medication as obese-BMI men: the proportions are 57 and 61 per cent respectively. It would seem that simply being female is pretty much as bad for you - and as expensive for society to pay for - as being a fat man.
Unsurprisingly almost 70 per cent of obese-BMI ladies in the study were on relevant medication, 9 per cent more than among the norms. The reasons why women use so much more medication than men are unknown, says Jarett.
The general increase across the whole US population over time in the proportion of people taking medication could be linked to the parallel rise in BMI, the scientist adds. But it might also simply result from "more aggressive physician approaches to treatments that accompany advances in technology".
Or in other words the creeping conversion of the Western citizenry from healthy people to ill ones - and the society-crippling expense of this - might be doctors' and the healthcare industry's fault, and not caused by idleness and pie-scoffing after all.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/26 ... olishness/The BMI method always struck me as heavily flawed, but I still know I'm fat 
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John_Vella
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Deliberate pun? 
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phantombudgie
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l3v1ck
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+1 It says I'm obise, and looking in the mirror, I have to agree. I need to be three stones lighter to be what I think is my perfect weight, but even then teh BMI would say I was overweight.
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Wed May 26, 2010 7:20 pm |
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leeds_manc
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My aim for the next 12 months is to become officially overweight, and reduce my body fat percentage 
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Fogmeister
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That's what I've done over the past year. At one point I was down to 15-20% body fat but heavier than I had been when I was unfit and not exercising. LOL! I like my food too much though and lack of money at the end of the month means it's hard to keep up the right diet to keep losing body fat.
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JJW009
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I'm very curious about that statement which I hear quite often from different people. My general experience is that relatively healthy food such as beans and rice are cheaper than fatty food such as pie and chips. What do you consider "the right diet"? I'm mostly eating chick pea and carrot salads right now, and that's costing me about £2 a week!
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Wed May 26, 2010 10:42 pm |
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Fogmeister
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beans, rice and chick peas are all very low in protein and high in carbohydrates. The "right" diet for losing the last bit of body fat is almost exactly the opposite. High protein, quite a lot of food throughout the day (in small meals) low carbs (especially in the evening), etc...
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Wed May 26, 2010 10:57 pm |
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brataccas
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I'd love to be a fat b**tard for a week to see what its like, must be weird when you look down and you dont see your legs so its as though you are "hovering"? 
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JJW009
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With the exception of dead animal, can you give examples of what you want to eat? I'm not a vegetarian, but I only eat meat occasionally. In my experience, most vegetarians are quite lean so I'm reluctant to believe that you need to eat flesh to be healthy. If you look at Asia, obesity only really happened with the introduction of the western diet containing more fatty meats, refined sugar and dairy fats. Prior to the western food invasion, people had mostly been eating rice, pulses and vegetables. I saw a documentary once which showed that wherever McDonald's restaurants go, obesity follows with an incredibly high statistical significance; although I suspect it's the western influence in general causing both, since correlation is not proof of cause... Incidentally, I read recently that the recommended intake for a man was something like 50g of protein per day and 300g of carbs. I think that's pretty much the ratio you find in rice and chick peas. I have no idea who came up with that or how, but it was on some food I bought at Tesco so it must be true! Oh, and I've lost a few pounds over the last two weeks. I reduced my carb intake. Specifically, alcohol 
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Amnesia10
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I have started rowing to burn up the calories. I cant be bothered to worry about what I eat, it is pretty healthy apart from too high in carbs so am burning them off rowing. Starting out at 250m and five times a day (dependant on mood or sleep) I get busy. Though I am now trying to sprint the last 100m on the increasing distances. From tomorrow I am up to 400m a time. I am not noticing much difference apart from friends say I am getting more toned and my stomach muscles are working hard, I can see that when I do the pull stroke. Though with summer it is easier to fill up on salads. It has taken a long time before I could tolerate salads. My mum basically made salads for months of the year and I was simply sick of them by the time I left home.
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JJW009
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I'm going to have to tell my coleslaw story  When I was about 10 my parents refitted the kitchen. This was a DIY job done by them after work, and it took a couple of weeks. For those two weeks I swear we ate nothing but coleslaw. It was over 10 years before I could stomach it again! These days I use a very modified recipe that is barely recognisable: Red or spring onion Chinese leaves finely sliced Grated carrot I vary the dressing. The simplest option is natural yoghurt, but I sometimes use a balsamic dressing, sweet chilli sauce or a combination. Yoghurt and chilli sauce together makes something like a spicy low fat thousand island dressing. I always add fresh black pepper and some kind of herbs. Mustard makes a regular appearance, as does pickling vinegar. The variety is endless, so it's really not boring. My other favourite salad ingredients are sliced olives, chickpeas, low fat Feta or Mozzarella and cashew nuts. You only need 3 olives or 10g of nuts or cheese to make a salad more interesting, so it's not high in calories or expensive. I've run out of carrot and lettuce until the nice man from Sainsbury's delivers some tomorrow, so for lunch I'll mostly be eating the Chinese leaves with chickpeas and olives in a random spicy dressing. I'll be eating a lot of junk and drinking lots of beer over the weekend, so I need to compensate somehow...
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brataccas
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you also like Indian food 
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Amnesia10
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Yes but salads are so bland in comparison to curries.
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