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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  How Successful Has Hollywood Attack On The Pirate Bay Been?

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Four Years In, How Successful Has Hollywood's Attack On The Pirate Bay Been?

from the not-very... dept

TorrentFreak alerts us to the news that May 31st was the four year anniversary of the raid that took down The Pirate Bay. So it seems worth checking in to see how well that went. As you may recall, right after the raid happened (very much because of MPAA pressure), the MPAA put out a statement, insisting that this raid was a huge victory for the MPAA:

"The actions today taken in Sweden serve as a reminder to pirates all over the world that there are no safe harbors for Internet copyright thieves," said Dan Glickman, Chairman & CEO of the MPAA. "Intellectual property theft is a problem for film industries all over the world and we are glad that the local government in Sweden has helped stop The Pirate Bay from continuing to enable rampant copyright theft on the Internet."

Of course, Glickman was overstating things just a bit. The raid did not stop The Pirate Bay from continuing anything. In fact, the raid merely took the site down for a couple days, but the publicity from the raid massively increased visitors to the site. I have to admit that, at the time of the raid, I'd never heard of The Pirate Bay myself. Since then, of course, there have been multiple attempts to take the site down, all of which have failed. The latest of which resulted in the Swedish Pirate Party taking on hosting duties for the site.

And, of course, there's the infamous lawsuit. While it did result in guilty verdicts against four people associated with the site, it hasn't stopped the site from operating at all, and recent attempts to collect money from the defendants in the lawsuit have mostly turned up nothing. While it's a bit disturbing that the entertainment industry was able to hand the fines over to debt collectors while the case is still on appeal, those debt collectors have only been able to seize $30,000 of the over $6 million owed -- and all of it's from Carl Lundstrom, who was only loosely associated with the site in the first place.

It really does make you wonder why the MPAA and the RIAA have bothered with all of this. It hasn't even remotely slowed file sharing down. In fact, their actions have helped advertise The Pirate Bay worldwide and made those running it into celebrities. And, even if they eventually do shut down the site, a dozen others will quickly step up to take its place. At some point, you have to wonder when they will realize it's time to figure out ways to focus on building a better business model rather than trying to do the impossible and deny what technology allows.


http://techdirt.com/articles/20100601/0156399635.shtml

What's your take on it? I think the article's pretty accurate...

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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I agree with the article. I hadn't even heard of piratebay until the raid, so well done Hollywood.

Author:  saspro [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:53 pm ]
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I think the answer is "not very"

Author:  koli [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:35 pm ]
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I think this is worrying though:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... -users.ars

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:49 pm ]
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It has been completely counter productive. It has meant that even more people know know about bit torrent, and what is there. If they had not gone all crazy over Wolverine then millions would not have heard about it and downloaded it.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:57 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
It has been completely counter productive. It has meant that even more people know know about bit torrent, and what is there. If they had not gone all crazy over Wolverine then millions would not have heard about it and downloaded it.


I think that's precisely why they went crazy over Wolverine - the film was utter gash and they knew it, and since when do studios get excited over one film in particular, especially one that wasn't remotely finished as far as the viewer is concerned?

They could see the destruction of a new franchise as it was being made (very troubled production history), and it was potentially one that could tie into previous and forthcoming work in a way that would make a lot of money.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:09 pm ]
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Yes but the wolverine download may have got millions to the cinema to see the differences. I certainly went to see it for just that reason. I may have just waited till it gets onto terrestrial if the review were bad.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:25 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but the wolverine download may have got millions to the cinema to see the differences. I certainly went to see it for just that reason. I may have just waited till it gets onto terrestrial if the review were bad.


That's precisely what I was getting at ;)

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:17 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but the wolverine download may have got millions to the cinema to see the differences. I certainly went to see it for just that reason. I may have just waited till it gets onto terrestrial if the review were bad.


That's precisely what I was getting at ;)

Yes but the logic of the studios will be that those that downloaded will not see the film. Which may not be true at all. Bit torrent can be a great form of marketing, and probably a lot cheaper. They will treat the download as lost sales, which will only be true if it were a complete turkey.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:42 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but the wolverine download may have got millions to the cinema to see the differences. I certainly went to see it for just that reason. I may have just waited till it gets onto terrestrial if the review were bad.


That's precisely what I was getting at ;)

Yes but the logic of the studios will be that those that downloaded will not see the film. Which may not be true at all. Bit torrent can be a great form of marketing, and probably a lot cheaper. They will treat the download as lost sales, which will only be true if it were a complete turkey.


Same as music, those people were never going to pay to see it at the cinema. And if they ever do pay for it, it'll probably have been money going to the guy down the pub/market... Or, if the studio's lucky, the rental shop :oops:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:53 pm ]
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I think that the rental shops used to pay a higher price to the studios in exchange for the lost DVD sales etc. Though they will still get some money from such transactions. In theory they could affect the TV rights if the person no longer watches it on TV because they have already seen it. Some people will see a film a number of times, some only once. Though if art house cinemas can show themed film nights, it shows that there are huge numbers who will go to see repeats on the big screen. The same will apply to TV. Next Monday Cloverfield is being shown on Channel 4, it got slammed by the critics yet it will still probably get an audience from those who would not have conventionally paid to see it because of the reviews. They may still think that it is rubbish but the studio got paid to screen it.

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