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How far should RE be taken in schools?
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pcernie
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Religious education is "inadequate" in one in five secondary schools in England, according to watchdog Ofsted.
Its study suggested many teachers were unsure of what they were trying to achieve in the subject.
Inspectors, who visited 183 primary and secondary schools in 70 areas, also criticised schools for not providing enough training in religious education.
The Church of England said the report was concerning but the National Secular Society said RE should become optional. Quality decline
Ofsted chief inspector Christine Gilbert said: "This report highlights two things - first the need for better support and training for teachers and, secondly, the need for a reconsideration of the local arrangements for the oversight of RE, so schools can have a clear framework to use which helps them secure better student achievement in the subject."
The report, Transforming Religious Education, found the quality of religious education had declined since 2007.
RE is not part of the National Curriculum and the content of lessons is determined at a local authority level.
Ofsted found that there was a wide variety in the amount of support and training provided to schools by local authorities.
However the study praised both primary and secondary schools for supporting the appreciation and understanding of pupils from different faiths. Jesus's parables
Students who took part in the survey were unable to describe their progress in RE, with many young people unsure of what they needed to do to improve.
In the primary schools questioned, many teachers were uncertain whether Christian material should be investigated in class or whether it should be used to consider moral or social themes.
In one school, some teachers used Jesus's parables to explore personal feelings or to decide how people should behave, but without using any reference to their religious significance. Continue reading the main story
Reverend Janina Ainsworth, the Church of England's chief education officer, said: "These findings suggest an urgent need for the government to invest in religious education, both in terms of high-quality resources and attracting and training specialist teachers.
"Given the role that the report suggests RE has in promoting community cohesion, that investment will pay dividends far beyond the education of individual students."
The survey, which did not include faith schools, recommended a government review of the way religious education is handled across England.
Ofsted said local authorities could offer more guidance in the subject and suggested that schools take pupils on trips outside of the classroom, as well as ensuring that RE promotes students spiritual development.
The survey also recommended that the Department of Education established ways to hold local authorities to account.
The National Secular Society said the report showed more people were drifting away from religion.
"Teachers as well as pupils are mostly indifferent to the subject and it is wrong to force it on to them," said president Terry Sanderson.
"Ofsted have reached entirely the wrong conclusion. Religious education should now become an optional subject, like languages. "
He said that if RE was to continue in its current form, it needed to be used as a "springboard" for exploring issues in a multi-faith society.
In 2007, the Religious Education Council of England and Wales recommended an overhaul of religious education, including a co-ordinated programme of training.
However the suggestions were not implemented by the then Department for Children, Schools and Families. |  |  |  |  |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/10227673.stmIdeally, I don't think there should be any great focus on particular religions, just the basic tenets of each one alongside their common themes where appropriate. If that requires more funding, so be it, and 'multiculturalism' and 'globalization' may make it a very good idea. Of course, when it comes to the basic tenets, religions are often their own worst enemy... They really need to focus on their own essence to my mind. But then they may find they have more in common with other religions than they like to admit Another issue is how a teacher is supposed to respond to questions about child abuse in the Catholic Church, or the potential subjugation of women/gays (for instance, and in vastly different scenarios) in religion, just as two issues that could cause controversy. And sackings... Tbh, I think today we have to be about pragmatism, but overall I think we'd be better seeing organised religion disappear and learning more about each other as people. Just so long as that doesn't lead to phrases like, 'Google moves in mysterious ways', or not even paying for hardware and songs, just giving Jobs your money as a tithe. And especially not, 'Flash - saviour of the universe!' 
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adidan
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Ours was quite good, just gave a grounding in different religions and linked into historical events. It also taught about atheism and agnosticism.
The good aspect though was that it wasn't a course you had to continue to study when it came time to choose your options.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:38 am |
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pcernie
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With us IIRC, we got a grounding in just Christianity and mostly alleged historical events We were also taught about atheism and agnosticism, but little on religions other than the above... It just wasn't an option when it came time to choose your options 
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:59 am |
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adidan
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True, history is all seen from a relevant perspective. We had various forms of Christianity but spent alot of time on Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc. We even had some talk on Roman and Greek Gods and Paganism. Obviously it wasn't hugely in depth, we only did it for the first 3 years of secondary school if you didn't take it as an option, but it was interesting.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:48 am |
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Linux_User
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I agree with the comments about making it optional.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:10 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Our school made us do GCSE RE. Their theory was that since the government made them teach at least some of it, they may as well enter us in it. You could tell they didn't really care though. Every other GCSE had three lessons a week. RE only had two.
And I'd just like to say, RE sucked big time.
And with regards to the C of E saying urgent investment is needed in RE, that's like a drug dealer saying there should be more investment in refining crack cocaine.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:39 pm |
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forquare1
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I think it's important to have a grounding. Like it or not, religion is a large part of society.
My problem was that none of the RE teachers (generally also PSHE teachers who also sometimes covered English and drama) could control a class, being in one of the worst behaved classes in the school, we never really learnt much...
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:10 pm |
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Sorry, but no. Religion should have no place in a public building, none at all. If parents want their children to learn about religion, then they can send them to a church/synagogue/mosque/the flying spagetti monster's realm.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:12 pm |
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forquare1
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Should art also be optional? Many consider it to be a dosser subject, and unlike RE, it doesn't have any everyday practical application. Should history be optional? I've certainly learnt more about history from curiosity and from my Dad than I did in those lessons. Should English be optional? I spent far too much time listening to teachers rambling on about the subtext of some book - Just enjoy the damn book! RE teaches you about other religions, so when someone from a different culture with a religion such as Hinduism or Buddhism enters your workplace, you know what their customs are and what they believe, surely that can help you in everyday life? Or do you plan on blanking everyone's beliefs and feelings that you meet?
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cloaked_wolf
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Our RE focussed heavily on Christianity and it was this that was then used to explore things like morals and ethics. We were taught about other religions but nowhere near the depth of Christianity. But when taken at GCSE the entire thing had a philosophical slant and less "religious". Those who did it enjoyed it very much.
I personally think it is fine to teach about the major religions. I think it should be more indepth eg spend a term on each religion and then in year 9, you should compare and contrast the religions and their approaches to the same issue eg prostitution, poverty etc. In this way, you appreciate other peoples' faiths and how you and your actions may impact on them, as well as how they impact on you.
Some people know f&!k all about other religions and belittle them because of their ignorance.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:44 pm |
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l3v1ck
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+1 RE was an unstreamed subject in our school. ie. Trouble makers in every class.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:57 pm |
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Linux_User
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None of those subjects are made-up!
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:59 pm |
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AlunD
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As long as it is broad spectrum based, e.g. covers ALL the major religions and not just Christianity why not let people take it as far as they wish but certainly not make it compulsory beyond basic levels. Sorry unsure what that should be. 
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l3v1ck
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They were optional at GCSE level in my day. Things should only be compulsory up to the end of year nine except for maths/English/science. However I recognise that fitting things into a complex school timetable mean many more are compulsory.
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lumbthelesser
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I quite agree. I think RE should focus on understanding and appreciating why people believe different things, regardless of whether or not you agree with the beliefs held; and I think learning to work with people who you disagree with is an important skill to have, and extends way beyond the bounds of religious belief. I think also teaching how to think critically about religion, picking up on the good bits (yes, they do exist), and looking at the bad bits, (eg, A lot of religions focus on charity work, and helping those unable to help themselves; and the tendency to be highly judgemental of anyone who believes differently (that goes for some agnostics/athiests too). Personally, I am quite against the catholic version of Christianity, but if i met a catholic, I would not try and criticize what they believed, I would take some time to try and understand why they believed. Also I think a key thing that is missed out is that RE effectively teaches what historical 'fact' each religions believes, but I think misses the main point of religion, IE the personal experience of someone who believes something. Indeed, the sense of community felt in some religions could be likened to the sense of community felt being a footbal fan, for instance.
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