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Author:  ChurchCat [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  File sharing, a bad thing?
It seems that files sharers are the cause of mobile phones losing their ability to have unlimited access to the the internet.

Quote:
O2 says that 0.1% of its smartphone users - that's about 2,000 people - are consuming 36% of its data. Other networks indicate the same.


Taken from here

So file sharers have screwed everyone else over by breaking their terms and conditions.

I used to think file sharing had a valid place in the world. Now I am less sure.

:|
Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
File-sharing mentioned in the article title but not in the article itself.
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
Reading the article, it seems all the networks stopped offering 'unlimited' services at pretty much the same time ie they had seen that one of their number had gotten away with it. And according to The Guardian at least, this was partly because Apple didn't wanna be associated with any backlash over the definition...

I suspect file-sharers, even the notion of them, are nothing but a smokescreen for something the networks had intended to do anyway, rather than invest in what they're offering.

All this seems familiar... Oh, that's right, the ISPs tried it as well! Then they started offering 40-50 Mbps for, er, remind me again? :roll:
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
ChurchCat wrote:
It seems that files sharers are the cause of mobile phones losing their ability to have unlimited access to the the internet.

Quote:
O2 says that 0.1% of its smartphone users - that's about 2,000 people - are consuming 36% of its data. Other networks indicate the same.


Taken from here

So file sharers have screwed everyone else over by breaking their terms and conditions.

I used to think file sharing had a valid place in the world. Now I am less sure.

:|

Oh come on CC dont be so naive, file sharing has nothing to do with the removal of the truly unlimited data access. O2s terms and conditions have always had "fair use" in there definitions and could/can easily limit those 0.1% but no they want to limit everyone. Why.. simple revenue they can now charge more money.
Author:  JJW009 [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
One of the biggest users of mobile bandwidth is Google Maps. You can use hundreds of megabytes if you use it for navigating, and quite a few people I know do just that.

Next comes streaming media. It's becoming more popular to stream media from your home computer to your mobile device, and it is a ravenous consumer of data. I know KW does this on his iPhone, and I imagine it's not just him.

I can't imagine there are many people who use file sharing networks through a mobile connection. Does anyone here? I certainly don't :?
Author:  ChurchCat [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
But 0.1% using 36% of data is a bit damming is it not?
Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
You'll find figures like that in many areas. No big deal really.
Author:  CMOT-Weasel [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
I have an Android phone, so effectively powered by Google. This means I use the Google Navigation map from time to time. Of course I'm going to go over the new 500Mb maximum (funny to have a maximum data limit on an unlimited contract, eh?) from time to time. Happily, I signed the contract before they changed it. ;-)
Author:  soddit112 [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
ChurchCat wrote:
But 0.1% using 36% of data is a bit damming is it not?


what information are we given about those statistics? youll probably find that they include non-internet users in the totals, and that most people will only use their phones for checking facebook, emails, ebay whatever, so to be in that 0.1% probably only requires you to visit a few youtube videos per day or something.
Author:  ChurchCat [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
soddit112 wrote:
ChurchCat wrote:
But 0.1% using 36% of data is a bit damming is it not?


what information are we given about those statistics? youll probably find that they include non-internet users in the totals, and that most people will only use their phones for checking facebook, emails, ebay whatever, so to be in that 0.1% probably only requires you to visit a few youtube videos per day or something.



Well also from the linked to article

Quote:
those 0.1% who are annoying O2 so much consume more than 690MB of data per month. That's about 23MB per day - roughly a megabyte every single hour. What, you think, are those folks doing?
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
23MB is about 4 minutes of Youtube.
Author:  soddit112 [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
ChurchCat wrote:
soddit112 wrote:
ChurchCat wrote:
But 0.1% using 36% of data is a bit damming is it not?


what information are we given about those statistics? youll probably find that they include non-internet users in the totals, and that most people will only use their phones for checking facebook, emails, ebay whatever, so to be in that 0.1% probably only requires you to visit a few youtube videos per day or something.



Well also from the linked to article

Quote:
those 0.1% who are annoying O2 so much consume more than 690MB of data per month. That's about 23MB per day - roughly a megabyte every single hour. What, you think, are those folks doing?


is that figure of 690MB per month for the whole 0.1%? or for an individual within that 0.1%?

The Article wrote:
O2 says that 0.1% of its smartphone users - that's about 2,000 people


if it refers to the former, it is a tiny volume of traffic. especially given JJW's figure of 23MB = 4 minutes of Youtube. the article is rather vague about exactly what the data encompasses, so its probably trying to mislead readers and make a mountain out of a molehill.

even if it is the latter, and the article is just badly worded, its still nothing to complain about. :?
Author:  finlay666 [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
ChurchCat wrote:
Well also from the linked to article

Quote:
those 0.1% who are annoying O2 so much consume more than 690MB of data per month. That's about 23MB per day - roughly a megabyte every single hour. What, you think, are those folks doing?


Push email on a busy account with a lot of email, app stores (I know some ipod games i have bought such as final fantasy are pushing 100mb!), youtube, spotify, sat nav software]

It's easy to use a lot, just wish my phone would tell me how much I use!
Author:  KindaWobbly [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
JJW009 wrote:
Next comes streaming media. It's becoming more popular to stream media from your home computer to your mobile device, and it is a ravenous consumer of data. I know KW does this on his iPhone, and I imagine it's not just him

Actually that makes me a very bad man. :twisted:

I've just had a look (for the first time) at the terms and conditions for my "unlimited" O2 web bolt on:

O2 wrote:
The O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On allows you unlimited use of O2 UK's Edge, GPRS, 3G and HSDPA networks, The Cloud's UK Wireless LAN network and the BT Openzone UK Wireless LAN network, for personal internet use and email. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card in any device to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable P2P or file sharing or use them in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers.


Looking at my data usage since I last reset it at the beginning of November, I've sent 171MB and received 3.3GB - which is very close to their new iPhone 4 500MB a month limit.
Author:  JJW009 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: File sharing, a bad thing?
It's interesting that it specifically bars "continuous streaming of any audio / video". I wonder what "continuous" means? I mean I know what it means, but in this case it is meaningless. The very definition of a stream is a continuous flow. Perhaps they mean "unlimited internet for no more than a few seconds per day", thus outlawing any meaningful use of your iPhone for on-line media including Youtube and the BBC, or indeed video messaging be that via Skype or hotcamgirls.grr

At least you're not torrenting. I'm not sure exactly how many MB I've downloaded in the last few days alone, but it's over 9000. Obviously not on my mobile. That would be ridiculous.
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