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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Vince Cable set to propose graduate tax

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A graduate tax is to be proposed by the Business Secretary Vince Cable, in a keynote speech on the future funding of higher education.

This would mean students in England would repay the costs of going to university through taxation once they began working.

A review of tuition fees and student finance is due to report in the autumn.

Mr Cable, who has pledged to oppose raising fees, will suggest a graduate tax as an alternative system.

This would mean students' fees being paid by the government to universities - and graduates would then pay a higher rate of taxation.

At present, the government lends students money to cover the cost of fees, with this loan paid back when students enter work, until the loan is paid off.

Under a graduate tax, the amount paid would depend upon earnings - compared with the current system in which a fixed amount is paid back.

Such a change could draw the political sting from the tuition fee debate - with Liberal Democrat MPs having personally signed pledges to oppose an increase in fees.

Private universities

Mr Cable, whose department is responsible for universities, is also set to suggest ways of cutting the costs of higher education to both taxpayers and students - such as promoting two-year degrees and more students living at home.
University entrance University students are waiting to hear how much courses will cost

Another proposal will be for more university courses to be franchised out - with universities accrediting courses which are taught by other institutions.

There will also be calls for a wider role for private providers in higher education - and there have been suggestions that private providers will want to expand into subjects such as teacher training and healthcare.

The speech from Mr Cable on Thursday will address the deepening pressures on the university system.

An unprecedented number of people are applying to university - and figures due on Friday will show that record numbers of well-qualified youngsters are going to miss out on places this year.

But spending limits from the government mean that universities are restricted in how much they can expand to meet the demand.

The previous government's promise of an extra 20,000 places this year has been cut to 10,000 places.

Fewer students

Mr Cable is also expected to retreat from the previous government's ambition of getting 50% of young people into university.

But this would be against a trend in rising numbers. There are already 51% of young women going to university - and in Mr Cable's Twickenham constituency, 52% of the working-age population have a degree.

There are now parts of the country in which almost two in three young people go to university.

Universities have also been warning of a deepening funding problem - and some university groups have called for an increase in tuition fees above the current level of £3,225.

There is an expectation that the subsidised repayment of loans for students' living costs will also be increased to a more commercial level of interest.

University leaders have warned that they need extra funds to maintain competitive in a global market - and there had been speculation that the limit for fees would be raised to £7,000 per year.

Malcolm Grant, provost of University College London, has suggested that protecting funding for research is a greater priority than recruiting more students.

However any increase in fees would add to the pressure on the taxpayer in the short term - with the government having to cover the up-front cost of any increase in fees.

As such, Mr Cable's speech will look at ways to reduce the cost, in the form of shorter, flexible courses and more studying from home.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-10631013

I post this here cos I know we've got a load of grads and potentials...

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vince Cable set to propose graduate tax

Good idea.
A) you not saddled with debt.
B) the more university helps you earn, the more you pay.

The only issues I can see are:
A) what about graduates who emigrate?
B) it does nothing to put off the kind of student who wants to sit and doss around all day from going to uni.

Author:  forquare1 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:17 am ]
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As long as I don't get hit by it, I don't care. I've already racked up >£20,000 of debt...

Author:  Angelic [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:11 am ]
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Stupid idea - so many students are at uni for a good time rather than to learn.

Author:  veato [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vince Cable set to propose graduate tax

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Under a graduate tax, the amount paid would depend upon earnings - compared with the current system in which a fixed amount is paid back.


I thought that's how the system currently worked. The more I earn the more I pay back. I can see this on my payslip for example when I get a payrise or do some overtime.

Author:  big_D [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:19 am ]
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Angelic wrote:
Stupid idea - so many students are at uni for a good time rather than to learn.

Maybe it will make them think twice?

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vince Cable set to propose graduate tax

Personally I am all in favour of this

Provide a good grant to ALL students
Advise them that they will be taxed at x% extra when they hit the top rate of tax
(So at the moment when they hit the 40% band a graduate would pay say 45%)

The advantage of using the top rate of tax is that it would still allow people to go to uni to do subjects that maybe worthwhile but not paid very well

Yes if someone emigrates then you loose the money. Of course if they come back then it starts up again

Author:  adidan [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:57 am ]
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Angelic wrote:
Stupid idea - so many students are at uni for a good time rather than to learn.

In my experience it's to learn and have a good time.

Mind you I went to a good University, not one that was built in a supermarket offering degrees in how to wipe your own ass.

Author:  finlay666 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:58 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Good idea.
A) you not saddled with debt.
B) the more university helps you earn, the more you pay.

The only issues I can see are:
A) what about graduates who emigrate?
B) it does nothing to put off the kind of student who wants to sit and doss around all day from going to uni.


B) And I imagine as a result the uni gets more money as a roll on effect

for issues:
A) No idea, I don't know what they do to current students who emigrate
B) Of course, but hopefully they will be discouraged from going or unis will get tighter on slackers

I went to uni to learn programming and to learn how to learn efffectively

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:15 am ]
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What a balls up. If they had not tampered with the higher education system this would all be irrelevant. The means tested grants worked for decades, free university education worked for the country as as whole and they interfered, because they could. Now we have Student loans companies who are inept at providing funds on time, and the whole system sets one generation of students with debts against those with a higher tax liability against those who got it all free. :oops:

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:26 am ]
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I graduated with £20k worth of debt. Had the fees been uncapped, this could have potentially risen to £100k. That't not something you could pay off straight away and could cripple you financially for a long time.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:02 am ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I graduated with £20k worth of debt. Had the fees been uncapped, this could have potentially risen to £100k. That't not something you could pay off straight away and could cripple you financially for a long time.

And in the costs of renting or buying a home in a property bubble and having to make larger pension contributions because of lousy returns and longer life expectancy. Overall living standards are going to fall for a generation.

Author:  phantombudgie [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:03 am ]
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I get the feeling that the total amount paid back will be far more than with the current system. From what he says this higher rate will not go away once you have paid back the £3000 (or £20,000 or whatever the new fees will be). You are being subjected to a permanent tax rise in a new and interesting fashion. And don't tell me they will make sure all that extra cash will go to the university :roll:

As for two year degrees, why are they trying to make degrees even more worthless? What a joke! Some students work themselves to death with only 3 years to learn the stuff (engineering and science, at least). I can only hope the two year degrees will be the ones in wallpaper design etc.

Author:  finlay666 [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vince Cable set to propose graduate tax

veato wrote:
Quote:
Under a graduate tax, the amount paid would depend upon earnings - compared with the current system in which a fixed amount is paid back.


I thought that's how the system currently worked. The more I earn the more I pay back. I can see this on my payslip for example when I get a payrise or do some overtime.


As in the amount of money you owe is fixed currently, the more you earn the quicker it's paid off currently

New scheme is a flexible amount so the more you earn the more you pay back and you pay it for a period of time (probably until you die)

Author:  phantombudgie [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:23 pm ]
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Indeed. You are not allowed to keep all the money you make until you have purchased a lordship.

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