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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:04 am ]
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For An Industry Being Destroyed By 'File Sharing,' Film Industry Keeps Reporting Record Numbers

from the well-how-about-that dept

The movie industry keeps sending very, very mixed messages. It keeps insisting that its business is being decimated by file sharing, but then keeps putting out reports bragging how well it's doing. Reader ethorad points us to a page put up by the UK Film Council about the movie business in the UK, where it makes a pretty compelling case that the movie business is thriving, despite all the reports of doom and gloom. Some key highlights:

* The core UK film industry has grown 50% over the last 10 years
* UK box office takings at record levels, with growth of over 60% over 10 years
* They have had a 500% return on their investments in film
* More films are being released, up over 30% in the last decade
* Independent films are performing quite well, taking in nearly half the revenue of major studio films

All of these points seem to go against the claims of an industry being decimated. Rather than the predicted decline in attendance, attendance is way up. Rather than the predicted decline in making films (both major studio and indie), more films are being made, and they're doing quite well. So... um... where exactly is the decimation happening?


http://techdirt.com/articles/20100721/07301310306.shtml

Click through to the UKFC report there, they're hardly impartial ;) , but still...

Even the sh1ttier films I've seen at the cinema are pretty well attended, and that's us going about a week after release, usually :)

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:11 am ]
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I don't think I've regulary seen reported attendance figures, they normally go for revenue which is affected by interest. I think the best figure to use would be bums on seats as a percentage of global population. OK that wouldn't necessarily take into account the cost of the film but it would at least show popularity.

Of course that figure would still be skewed by fanboys who see the film twice or more within a few days. <_< You know who you are.

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:14 am ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
Of course that figure would still be skewed by fanboys who see the film twice or more within a few days. <_< You know who you are.

I didn't think anyone else knew of Mark's obsession with Twilight. (8-p)

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:27 am ]
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Audience numbers might still be down because of the cinema prices. West end prices can be extortionate and will more than make up for the odd yokel not watching. File sharing probably has little impact on the audience. They will either watch then delete, if they really like it they will get the disk at some point. If they hated it they would not have bought it. I can see that the future audiences for TV might be lower as people would have seen it previously, not appreciably. Though that has not really impacted on the viewers as Die Hard has been on countless times and still gets an audience, especially when everything on else is rubbish.

Author:  Paul1965 [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:55 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Audience numbers might still be down because of the cinema prices. West end prices can be extortionate...


Exactly why I don't go much anymore. Prices in London are horrific and you have to factor in the travel, etc. Big screen films are once or twice a year at the moment so that will be Avatar and probably Toy Story 3. Rest will have to be DVD. :(

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:11 am ]
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It is not so bad if you live close to a cinema that has a cinema pass then it can be well worth while.

Author:  timark_uk [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:18 am ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
belchingmatt wrote:
Of course that figure would still be skewed by fanboys who see the film twice or more within a few days. <_< You know who you are.
I didn't think anyone else knew of Mark's obsession with Twilight. (8-p)
And once more you betray my confidence in you, Edd.
I'm really starting to wonder why I continue to bother with you at all.

Mark

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:22 am ]
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timark_uk wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
belchingmatt wrote:
Of course that figure would still be skewed by fanboys who see the film twice or more within a few days. <_< You know who you are.
I didn't think anyone else knew of Mark's obsession with Twilight. (8-p)
And once more you betray my confidence in you, Edd.
I'm really starting to wonder why I continue to bother with you at all.

It seemed to have already been betrayed by someone else! I'm still tempted by that bait you offerred the other evening.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:29 am ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
It seemed to have already been betrayed by someone else! I'm still tempted by that bait you offerred the other evening.

Twilight was a new one on me. I thought he was still obessed with Glee and Show tunes. ;)

Author:  timark_uk [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:31 am ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
I'm still tempted by that bait you offerred the other evening.
>8+D

Mark

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:32 am ]
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timark_uk wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
I'm still tempted by that bait you offerred the other evening.

>8+D

(8-p)

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:48 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Audience numbers might still be down because of the cinema prices. West end prices can be extortionate and will more than make up for the odd yokel not watching. File sharing probably has little impact on the audience. They will either watch then delete, if they really like it they will get the disk at some point. If they hated it they would not have bought it. I can see that the future audiences for TV might be lower as people would have seen it previously, not appreciably. Though that has not really impacted on the viewers as Die Hard has been on countless times and still gets an audience, especially when everything on else is rubbish.


Quality is what counts, hence Die Hard. Let's be honest, the film studios can't even knock out something as good as Van Damme's earlier back catalogue anymore :cry:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:19 am ]
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They have got pretty formulaic for a while. Inception looks very different. So some imagination out there.

Author:  snowyweston [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:05 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
They have got pretty formulaic for a while. Inception looks very different. So some imagination out there.

There's plenty of new ideas / great films being released at the moment that deserve more attention than the big blockbusters. Having watched it last night, I would have gone to watch "The Lovely Bones" at the cinema had I known how good a movie, and how gloriously shot, it was. Micmacs was also another great JPJ film that looked good on the big screen. The thing is, a lot of the under-the-radar films don't need the big screen (ie. "A Prophet" ) so I suspect people wait for at-home-commercial release...

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:39 am ]
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At this point, I wish I had remembered where I heard/read this. There are some pretty clever accounting tricks going on in the background. Something about a good film doing really badly financially because its budget was burgled for another less well performing film. Something like that. So even if the fim has done really well, and come in at a decent budget, accounting practices mark it down as a bomb.

Here’s a Wikipedia article that explains it a bit, but this is not where I saw it explained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

Quote:
Hollywood accounting is not limited to movies. An example is the Warner Bros. television series Babylon 5 created by J. Michael Straczynski. Straczynski, who wrote 90% of the episodes in addition to producing the show, would receive a generous cut of profits if not for Hollywood accounting.[citation needed] The series, which was profitable in each of its five seasons from 1993–1998, has garnered more than US$1 billion for Warner Bros., most recently US$500 million in DVD sales alone. But in the last profit statement given to Straczynski, Warner Bros. claimed the property was $80 million in debt. "Basically," says Straczynski, "by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits."

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