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I know quite a few people that own several smart phones; it's not unusual for someone who uses a Blackberry for work to have an iPhone as a toy. This skews the results terribly; as does the fact that so many people have half a dozen Zombie phones in their sock draw...

True. I have an iPhone, an HTC WinMo, an HTC Win Phone 7 and an HTC Sensation.

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What research have you done to back up your numbers? And what are your numbers anyway? Let's see them...

There are no 'numbers' in an objective sense. That's the point. Every company puts out whatever set of figures make it look best, meaning there are virtually no cases where you can compare one companies performance against another's, like for like. Equally, surveys taken among populations are notoriously unable to produce quantitative data. At best they do describe trends, but even then they're far from definitive.

You're taking the numbers presented as if they were sacrosanct and scientifically accurate, whereas anyone who actually has any statistical training at all would tell you they're pretty much no use at all for other than promotional purposes.

This is not science. This is marketing.

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You seem to believe that whatever these places come out with is gospel, it's far from it.

I don't take it as a gospel.


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You're taking the numbers presented as if they were sacrosanct and scientifically accurate


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This is getting very boring now.

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This is what I have problem with. You haven't seen the report, you don't know methods applied, assumptions made and sources used but you know for sure they got it wrong and you got it right. I really find it amazing.

When you assume you make an ass out of you and me. Assumptions in pure statistical analysis should never be made, however it would appear assumptions have been made on information is not pure, statistical or analysis

Have you seen the report? Maybe you would like to enlighten us about how they took a disproportionally small data set probably collected in London, maybe the data wasn't correctly normalised or the modal value instead of the mean or median.

I know that figures don't add up when statistically 2 reports conflict, such as the Ofcom report on users.

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I don't take it as a gospel. I think they are more likely to be right than you. If Kantar was making useless market intel. reports they wouldn't be in business because nobody would be bying reports from them. But they are in business so it would seem that other bussineses see the value in the service they provide. But again, you think they are a fraud.

What research have you done to back up your numbers? And what are your numbers anyway? Let's see them...


Well you are taking it as gospel as you use the same sets of data and stand by them and attack the people calling the quality of the data into question and not the opposing data itself.

A large number of businesses are in business that do useless work in order to make money for the 'benefit' of other businesses. I know of one company that other companies invest a huge amount of money in to 'research' green energy methods as it is a massive tax write off (say investing £10k they avoid £20k of tax) and the company does pretty much sod all but everyone concerned is happy, even if the investing company doesn't see any of it's money back

I didn't say they were fraudulent, just educated guessers.

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and attack the people

I am not aware that I attacked anybody but if you feel like I did then I apologize. And don't take it personally.

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and attack the people

I am not aware that I attacked anybody but if you feel like I did then I apologize. And don't take it personally.

I wasn't saying it was a personal attack, but you said I didn't understand instead of critiquing the data

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