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Amnesia10
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Maybe they will have something like this?  Mac OS X : Mexican Hairless Do you have yours yet?
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:07 pm |
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jonbwfc
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OS X Mexican Hairless : It will cost you One MIllion Dollars! <evil laugh>
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:12 pm |
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forquare1
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Which makes me think that perhaps we will see OS XI instead of 10.8
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:21 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I haven't noticed any talk of the resolution independence that Leopard was supposed to bring - is this just going to quietly die?
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:02 pm |
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steve74
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Well, Jobs did say that more features will be announced in the coming months, this was intended to be just a taster of what's Lion's going to be about. I'd be surprised if Resolution Independence didn't arrive in the next few years, but whether it will be part of Lion or not, who knows?
I can get my head around what Resolution Independence is, but I'm struggling to see a real world benefit that it might bring to Macs in day to day use.
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:05 pm |
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HeatherKay
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Well, UI features would be so much clearer for the hard of seeing. Enlarging them on screen would mean they wouldn't dissolve into a fuzzy mush of anti-aliased pixels. Allied to that, it would mean that the UI elements everywhere would be clearer, sharper and scalable to different screen sizes without needing to be redrawn and stored within the app itself. We're currently still working to the original Mac 72 pixels to one inch resolution, even though screen resolutions are wildly different in real life.
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:22 pm |
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steve74
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Yes, I hadn't really thought about the whole accessibility angle and zooming into menus, but presumably all software would need to be rewriiten to take advantage of this, wouldn't it? Let's assume 2011's Lion adds support for this natively in the OS (and bundled apps), then I would hazard a guess and say it will be another 2 or 3 years before the major software titles are updated to include support for resolution independence. Unless I've got it wrong and apps wouldn't have to be rewritten but would "just work"? As Prof says, nothing much has been mentioned about this in the last few years, certainly not from Apple themselves, all we know is how it would work in theory. It seems like the next logical step, but until then I can struggle on without it! 
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:29 pm |
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ProfessorF
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/10/24/resolution_independence_in_leopard_confirmed_by_apple.html |  |  |  | Quote: Apple Computer's next-generation Mac OS X Leopard operating system will indeed make use of resolution independence, the company confirmed in a posting to its developer website.
The technology, which has been lingering beneath the surface of Mac OS X since early betas of Mac OS X Tiger, essentially breaks the software assumption that all display output is to be rendered at 72 dots per inch (DPI).
"The old assumption that displays are 72dpi has been rendered obsolete by advances in display technology," Apple said in an overview of Leopard posted to its Developer Connection website. "Macs now ship with displays that sport displays with native resolutions of 100dpi or better."
The Cupertino, Calif.-based company said the number of pixels per inch will continue to increase dramatically over the next few years, making displays crisper and smoother.
"But it also means that interfaces that are pixel-based will shrink to the point of being unusable," Apple said. "The solution is to remove the 72dpi assumption that has been the norm. In Leopard, the system, including the Carbon and Cocoa frameworks, will be able to draw user interface elements using a scale factor."
The technology will allow the Mac OS X user interface to maintain the same physical size while gaining resolution and crispness from high dpi displays.
"The introduction of resolution independence may mean that there is work that you’ll need to do in order to make your application look as good as possible," the Mac maker told its developers. "For modern Cocoa and Carbon applications, most of the work will center around raster-based resources. For older applications that use QuickDraw, more work will be required to replace QuickDraw-based calls with Quartz ones."
Apple's intention to support resolution independence with Mac OS X was first detailed in an Aug. 2004 AppleInsider report. Following the release of Leopard Preview in Aug. of this year, bloggers discovered that the feature would be made more accessible to developers working with Leopard.
The Quartz-driven technology will allow developers to author applications that offer users the choice of viewing more detail (more pixels per point, but fewer points on the screen) or a larger user interface (fewer pixels per point but more points on the screen) without altering the resolution of the computer's display. |  |  |  |  |
From 2006... oh how cool it sounded. Then what? Oh. EDIT: Found this nifty assessment of the Mac line up and it's varying resolutions: [url=http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2010/10/new-macs’-resolutions/] Clicky[/url]
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:37 pm |
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jonbwfc
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The best way to think of resolution independence is this : It doesn't matter any more how big your screen is. That's the fundamental point.
With a resolution dependant GUI, if you double the res of the screen, all the things you have to click on end up half as big. Obviously, smaller things are harder to click on. With a resolution independent GUI, you can increase the size/resolution of the screen and all the objects stay the same size, so they're just as easy to click on as they were. You just have more space to do stuff in.
It means you don't have to keep redesigning your GUI every couple of years as monitor tech increases and, in theory, it also means you can design one GUI that will go all the way from a screen on a mobile phone up to someone with a 31" super hi res monitor. That bit's trickier tough, because the space between things matters somewhat too.
Jon
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:41 pm |
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big_D
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They are looking at going to the same model as the iPad and iPhone, with one window on screen, as well... If you have a 30" or 27" screen, that is a heck of a big window for most things... I currently have half a dozen open windows overlapping each other or tiled, I need to see information from several sources at the same time - especially when researching for a technical document or writing code... That is more worrying to me, than resolution independence, although that would be useful at times.
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:43 am |
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davrosG5
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It amuses me that, having refused to give Mac users a way to Maximise a window to fill the entire screen (as in Windows) for so long and having claimed that the Mac way (only sizing to the required width and height) was better Mr. Jobs is now claiming it as an epic and exciting new feature.
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Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:29 am |
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timark_uk
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For so long, Mac users were just Mac users. These days a lot of the new Mac users are coming from the Windows way of doing things. It's only inevitable that some calls for doing things the Windows way will be acted upon.
Mark
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Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:47 am |
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Fogmeister
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This is true however since using a Mac at home I rarely ever use my work PC in Full screen. I have my windows cascaded just overlapping so I can switch easily between them.
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Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:58 am |
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timark_uk
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I never use a Windows machine in full screen unless it's so old as to have only a 1024x768 (or less) maximum resolution. Mark
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Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:02 am |
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Amnesia10
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The only thing that I use in full screen are games and video. Other than that I have windows only as large as necessary.
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