No sh*t Sherlock!!
I was hoping for something rather more constructive because when the question is "Will it sell better" I am pretty sure the answer isn't "It is not selling"...

Well, as and when RIM make it a smooth, simple operation then maybe.
But that said, the second link I posted would suggest that Android on a tablet isn't setting the world alight either.

Make what smooth? As I said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it in my eyes except the lack of apps. That's why I'm asking to find out what other people see as a problem with it.

Yup. Like butter.

I'm guessing that was from the leaked pre-release player, rather than the real thing which real people are actually going to use?

That's my understanding - which is why I said if they make a simple to use thing...

Oops, I swear the previous 5 posts weren't there when I replied. I thought that was a response to Koli's post at 9:36 pm

It is a leak indeed, it was leaked yesterday and people are just trying to figure out how to use it at the moment. RIM have demonstrated this player some time ago and the way to get apps will be thought the App World, one click experience...

BlackBerry Tablet Cryptographic Kernel receives FIPS certification

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-tablet ... tification

So it's not all doom and gloom in the RIMPIRE

Yeah but RIM are already king in the corporate space - and Apple are making big waves - I'd venture most employees, where possible, will be wanting an iPhone over a Blackberry. The growth opportunities for RIM rest in the consumer space, a space in which they're getting trounced. The Bold Touch is a good start, but they really, really, really need to sort out Blackberry lack-of-apps. World.

My experience is it's very..well, I wouldn't say 'tribal' but people like what they like. I see a lot of people who have a BB and want to keep it, even if offered an alternative. Obviously if the corporate policy is one platform then no choice but there does seem to be a lot of inertia about which platform people like. I think it would take something significant (i.e. a major security breach at RIM or the company really getting into trouble) for Apple or Android to wrestle the crown. Android in fact, the way things are at the mo, stand no real chance. I can see three different Android devices in the same day, all of which do ActiveSync in a slightly different and individually broken way. Until there's some consistency in the 'enterprise functionality' of Android phones, they won't make a lot of headway in the corporate arena. 3.0 looks like a start along that path but tbh I think it'll be the best part of another year before there's an Android device the corporate world finds really acceptable.


I have to say, the reasons for having a BB over an iPhone for a personal device are few and with the stuff that's coming in iOS5, they'll be nil.

Jon

I don't quiet understand how the lack of apps is a problem for corporate clients.

When a receptionist at Suzie's Hairdressers gets an iphone for work I expect she can download Angry birds if she wants. But when you are working for a global investment bank or a military contractor I really doubt you will be able to even access app world. At least in my company you are prevented to install apps willy nilly on your work BB.

Since we are on this topic have a look at this:
http://us.blackberry.com/apps-software/ ... alance.jsp

It seems like a good solution for companies and for their employees so maybe RIM is step ahead when it comes to enterprise solutions.

At the organisational level, apart from some specific instances, it isn't. However often the 'corporate' phone is also the user's 'personal' phone. A lot of people don't like to carry two. That being so people even within a corporate environment have individual requirements. Which the business may or may not accommodate, according to it's policy. As I said, if the corp policy is 'you must use this phone' then it's not an issue but once you give people a choice they're not going to choose just based on the corporate requirement, they're going to choose based on their individual requirements. And apps are often part of people's individual requirements.


Definitely so in some places. I've done short term in places where all the phones are effectively identical. One of these days we'll get proper roaming profiles on phones in the corp world, and the idea of a 'work mobile' being 'yours' will probably go out the window. In the case of a hairdressers, I suspect effectively they're going to be personal phones paid for by the business, rather than 'corporate' phones anyway. I don't think for example a hair salon business is going to have either the equipment or anyone with the knowledge to set up policy enforcement on the phones they pay for.


Useful, but I'm not sure how well it addresses the.. psychology of phone ownership. If people think the phone is 'theirs' (whether they pay for it or not) they're going to want to individualise it, be it with apps or ringtones or home screen widgets or whatever. And I think if you disallow that too much there's a point where the phone doesn't feel 'personal' any more, and unconsciously people don't like putting personal info on a phone they don't feel is personal. I think if you lock the phone down a lot, even if it has the ability to segregate private and personal functions, people won't end up using the personal part.

Jon

The problem with that is $199 for a tablet is, more than likely, selling at a loss. Yes, HP sold a lot of touchpads at $99. but that was because they'd decided to get out of the market and once they said that nobody was going to pay a decent price for an end-of-life product. It almost made good business sense to give them away. It was either that or bury them in a sandpit in Nevada.

You can't make and sell a tablet at $200 and expect to be in business for very long. The problem RIM have is they blew their only chance by going to market with an obviously unfinished product and they're unlikely to ever be able to recover. The tablet market is simply too competitive for that to happen.


Jon