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The Youtube app disappeared and now I have to use the iPhone app which is not as good as the old iPad app.
There's a dedicated YouTube app that you download from the App Store now.

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That's an iPhone app. There is no iPad equivalent now.

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A lot of the early opinion is that Maps is... well.. a bit rubbish.

It is not that bad, just different to Google Maps.

No, it's crap. Problems found so far:

Major roads not properly labelled. For example, the A414 between Chelmsford and Harlow is not labelled A414. Instead the app uses the local road names, which changes as the road progress through Ongar and towards North Weald. Any other road Atlas calls it the A414. That is what it is known as, that is what is on all the road signs.

Interestingly, if you follow the A12 through Colchester and towards Ipswich, the A12 labels vanish, replaced by local street names when the road turns into a single carriageway, and return when it turns back into a dual carriageway. Clearly, major routes are only given their numbers when they are "motorway like" in configuration. For navigation when preparing for a long journey driving, this is not helpful especially if you do not know the area.

Also the satellite imagery is awful. Locally, my town (Chelmsford) when zoomed is is just a messy blur of pixels. It is not the highly detailed views previously used. Roads are completely missing in Hybrid mode (mine included), so using the helpful hybrid mode to give you an idea of the area with a map overlay is pointless now.

Likewise, if you look at Colchester - a major city - you will notice two things - most importantly, it's completely covered in cloud. Secondly, and given the first problem which makes this almost redundant, it's monochrome.

Large towns have lost their labels. Continuing the A12 theme, Kelvedon (north eat of Chelmsford) is labelled. However, Witham, a much larger town, is not.

There just seems to be so much wrong with this iteration of the app. Shoddy data, poor imagery, poor and inconsistent labelling. It's a mess.

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Initial impressions are a bit meh overall (with iOS 6, I've not even looked at Maps since I never really used it before).

On an iPhone 4.

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The way the app store now downloads apps & updates is more logical
The new Phone number pad is nice

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Passbook is at the moment an idea waiting for a use.
The new Apps/iTunes interface is less usable than the old one
Taking podcasts out of the Music app and forcing you to use the god-awful Podcasts app

I also have an original iPad, which of course isn't getting iOS 6 at all. I see no good reason as it stands to upgrade either item of hardware. As a result, iOS 6 is pretty much passing me by in the main and I can't say I'm really bothered by the fact.


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Taking podcasts out of the Music app and forcing you to use the god-awful Podcasts app


Apparently if you delete the Podcasts app, they return to the Music app.

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No, it's crap. Problems found so far:

There just seems to be so much wrong with this iteration of the app. Shoddy data, poor imagery, poor and inconsistent labelling. It's a mess.

I am not disagreeing with you. My local village is not even mentioned in the addresses. Loads of local stores and banks are in the wrong place and the maps app does not allow you to move the pin to the correct location. Yes there are teething problems but it is a version 1.0. Windows was not decent until 3.1. Under the old google maps I was in the correct location but now I have magically moved 90 yards.

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Yes there are teething problems but it is a version 1.0.


Hang on, though. TomTom are not some fly-by-night start-up company. They have as much map data as just about anyone in the satnav business. If they are the main partner with Apple here, how come it's so rubbish?

You should expect better - even for a version 1 - with that kind of pedigree.

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... but it is a version 1.0

I'd contest that. Sure, it's a largely re-written app, but it's replacing a perfectly functional existing app - Apple just wants to change the map-provider in order to provide all sorts of additional functionality. If changing the mapping provider broke existing functionality, it shouldn't have been released.

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Yes there are teething problems but it is a version 1.0.


Hang on, though. TomTom are not some fly-by-night start-up company. They have as much map data as just about anyone in the satnav business. If they are the main partner with Apple here, how come it's so rubbish?

You should expect better - even for a version 1 - with that kind of pedigree.


As far as the consumer or end user is concerned, this is version 6. Just because they are using different data does not mean that it’s right to take such a step backwards.

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736

If Steve were alive, he’d probably be firing a few people.

I had someone on Twitter trying to justify the poor quality, saying that it was “worse in beta” - well that is to be expected, but that does not exonerate Apple from really, really screwing this up.

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I see that TomTom are distancing themselves from Apple's Map App...
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TomTom, which also licenses data to a range of other mobile manufacturers, defended its involvement.

A spokesman told the BBC that its maps provided only a "foundation" to the service.

"The user experience is determined by adding additional features to the map application such as visual imagery," a spokesman said.

"User experience fully depends on the choices these manufacturers make.

"We are confident about our map quality, as selling 65 million portable navigation devices across the world and more than 1.4m TomTom apps for iPhone in the past two years reaffirms this quality."

From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736

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I haven't been offered the upgrade yet. Reading this I may not bother.

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Question I have seen on other sites: Would Steve have signed off on the Map App?

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Question I have seen on other sites: Would Steve have signed off on the Map App?

Very good question.

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Taking podcasts out of the Music app and forcing you to use the god-awful Podcasts app

Apparently if you delete the Podcasts app, they return to the Music app.

Doesn't seem to have worked for me.


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Question I have seen on other sites: Would Steve have signed off on the Map App?

Steve is dead. Nobody can say what he would have done. It's time to let him rest in peace.

(aside from the point that Steve had his fair share of clunkers too).


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I see that TomTom are distancing themselves from Apple's Map App...
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TomTom, which also licenses data to a range of other mobile manufacturers, defended its involvement.

A spokesman told the BBC that its maps provided only a "foundation" to the service.

"The user experience is determined by adding additional features to the map application such as visual imagery," a spokesman said.

"User experience fully depends on the choices these manufacturers make.

"We are confident about our map quality, as selling 65 million portable navigation devices across the world and more than 1.4m TomTom apps for iPhone in the past two years reaffirms this quality."

From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736

You have to ask - does the map data include pace names? If so, there are a LOT of mis-placed locations, and places which either have no name or the wrong name. Is that n the TomTom data, or has Apple somehow munged it?

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