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Author:  wolfie2 [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Safari 4.0
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They moved the tabs back down below the bookmarks toolbar....I likes it up on top......why isn't there an option to have them back up where they belong?
Author:  steve74 [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
There were Terminal commands around when Safari 4 Beta came out - to move the tabs bar back to the old position. I'd imagine these are still relevant now that the final release is out. If you're feeling brave, open Terminal (in Utilities folder) and copy and paste the command on this page, which is...
Quote:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool YES

then restart Safari to see if it works.

To put the tabs bar back to the old position, the terminal command should be...
Quote:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool NO


Like I say, no idea if this still works with the final release of Safari 4, just don't blame me if it doesn't work that's all! I'm sure with OnyX or Cocktail will be updated soon to change these settings, even though Apple have decided (wisely, in my opinion) to move the default position of the tabs back to below the bookmarks bar.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
i had safari 3.2.3 with add ons working just right
then updated to safari 4
which had cover flow and this crap called 'top sites'

safari has been completely removed from my system and am now using old faithful FF

why can't they just produce a browser that just browses and any add ons that can just be that add ons …
Author:  wolfie2 [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
MrStevenRogers wrote:
i had safari 3.2.3 with add ons working just right
then updated to safari 4
which had cover flow and this crap called 'top sites'

safari has been completely removed from my system and am now using old faithful FF

why can't they just produce a browser that just browses and any add ons that can just be that add ons …


You can turn top sites off, and never have to use Cover Flow so just what is the problem??

I never use either of those features.
Author:  wolfie2 [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
steve74 wrote:
Apple have decided (wisely, in my opinion) to move the default position of the tabs back to below the bookmarks bar.


I don't like playing around in Terminal....and I never understood why it is "wise" to have tabs sitting right below the bookmarks bar...much better having the tabs out of the way at the top, it's far to easy to click on wrong one, plus it took up less screen space as it was part of the bar that has the "traffic lights" and page title on it....
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
wolfie2 wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
i had safari 3.2.3 with add ons working just right
then updated to safari 4
which had cover flow and this crap called 'top sites'

safari has been completely removed from my system and am now using old faithful FF

why can't they just produce a browser that just browses and any add ons that can just be that add ons …


You can turn top sites off, and never have to use Cover Flow so just what is the problem??

I never use either of those features.


i could not turn off or disable them even from a terminal …
Author:  SAughton [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
Tabs simply didn’t work properly at the top. At the risk of repeating myself (what does that mean? what risk?), I’ll repeat myself:

Quote:
The most significant and controversial change is the location of the tabs. Tabs now sit along the top of the window, doubling as the application’s title bar, which makes for some awkward compromises. Click and drag a tab and it moves the entire window, unless you click on the tiny “Drag this tab” icon. And if you’re used to double-clicking to create a new tab, you will now minimise the window.

The placement of the Close Tab button is also awkward. In the leftmost tab it sits too closely to the traffic light buttons and because the button suddenly appears as as the mouse moves over an inactive tab it’s easy to inadvertently close a tab.

Apple says that it moved the tabs in order to free up more space for web pages, but that is unconvincing. Displays are much larger than they were when Safari debuted in 2003 and at most tabs obscured a couple of lines of text. Placing the tabs at the top is arguably a more elegant way of organising information but the implications have been fully thought through.


The worst thing about the latest version is that dumb page load progress indicator. Hopefully the hidden pref is still there to restore the Safari 3 progress bar.
Author:  rubicon [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
wolfie2 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They moved the tabs back down below the bookmarks toolbar....I likes it up on top......why isn't there an option to have them back up where they belong?


Oh the irony . . .

wolfie2, in the old homestead, wrote:
if people don't like the new version then use the old version

ohhh those tabs are in a much more sensible place but I can't get used to it......

so bleating about the moving of tabs . . . is having a life, being unpratty, and terribly grown up???

It's as if the world is coming to an end. All over the moving of a tab bar

:)
Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
SAughton wrote:
The worst thing about the latest version is that dumb page load progress indicator. Hopefully the hidden pref is still there to restore the Safari 3 progress bar.


I don’t quite get this. It goes a dark blue/grey colour, then sometimes a light grey before vanishing. I can only assume that dark blue = loading and light grey = rendering/compiling Javascript or some such internals working.
Author:  SAughton [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
paulzolo wrote:
I don’t quite get this. It goes a dark blue/grey colour, then sometimes a light grey before vanishing. I can only assume that dark blue = loading and light grey = rendering/compiling Javascript or some such internals working.


I don’t get it at all. It’s just bizarre and so unlike what I expect from Apple.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
SAughton wrote:
The worst thing about the latest version is that dumb page load progress indicator. Hopefully the hidden pref is still there to restore the Safari 3 progress bar.


+1 for that sentiment.
All my other buttons etc. hang around on the left of the address bar. What's the reload/stop button doing all the way over there?
And yes, can't we have some sort of loading progress bar please?

Other than that, I'm not unhappy with Safari 4.
Does anyone know if the bloat issue has been fixed in this release?
Author:  forquare1 [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
Does Safari doe multi-line bookmarks like Camino yet? Until I find another browser that does that I'll not be jumping ship.

MrStevenRogers wrote:
why can't they just produce a browser that just browses

Aye, I'd be happy with that. I never wanted any of the extra nonsense, just give me something fast and reliable.

wolfie2 wrote:
I don't like playing around in Terminal

I'll try to remember to make an AppleScript script tonight that'll do it for you :)

SAughton wrote:
Quote:
The most significant and controversial change is the location of the tabs. Tabs now sit along the top of the window, doubling as the application’s title bar, which makes for some awkward compromises. Click and drag a tab and it moves the entire window, unless you click on the tiny “Drag this tab” icon. And if you’re used to double-clicking to create a new tab, you will now minimise the window.

The placement of the Close Tab button is also awkward. In the leftmost tab it sits too closely to the traffic light buttons and because the button suddenly appears as as the mouse moves over an inactive tab it’s easy to inadvertently close a tab.

Apple says that it moved the tabs in order to free up more space for web pages, but that is unconvincing. Displays are much larger than they were when Safari debuted in 2003 and at most tabs obscured a couple of lines of text. Placing the tabs at the top is arguably a more elegant way of organising information but the implications have been fully thought through.


Fair comments, however, if you don't double-click for a new tab then you don't have a problem. Also, Apple's core market for OS X seems to be portables, the cheapest of which have fairly short screens where saving space could really count.
Author:  SAughton [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
forquare1 wrote:
Does Safari doe multi-line bookmarks like Camino yet?


What are they?
Author:  forquare1 [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
SAughton wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
Does Safari do multi-line bookmarks like Camino yet?


What are they?


Where bookmarks wrap onto a new line rather than mysteriously disappear off the page...

Like this: Clicky
It's a much nicer/easier way of displaying many common sites than having to use a menu, or even something like a 'top sites' screen IMO.

Pretty? No. Functional? Hell yeah!
Author:  timark_uk [ Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Safari 4.0
forquare1 wrote:
Like this: Clicky
OMJF that's disgusting!

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