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Answer is likely to be “no” but an interesting idea, and as the barriers between mobile devices and desktops start to blur, I kind of see where this idea could be coming from.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/06/app ... e-laptops/

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The short story is that Apple is moving the laptop line, and presumably desktops too, to ARM based chips as soon as possible.


I have an interest: I have two ARM based desktop machines here, as well as a Newton 2000 and an eMate. All of these powered by ARM processors. Add to that the iPad and the iPhone, and I can see the benefits of the chips. Lower power drain, the run cooler, so Macs based on ARM chips could be very sleek. However, Apple have shifted from Motoroloa to Intel, and that was a big shift. Can they ask their developers to do the same again?

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I have an interest: I have two ARM based desktop machines here, as well as a Newton 2000 and an eMate. All of these powered by ARM processors. Add to that the iPad and the iPhone, and I can see the benefits of the chips. Lower power drain, the run cooler, so Macs based on ARM chips could be very sleek.

Kind of depends what you're after. ARM chips are very good in relatively low power, low usage situations like mobile devices but they're simply not in the same league as Intel or AMD for 'desktop' stuff. The best ARM chip is, what, Dual core and 1GHz? You can buy an iMac today in which the main chip is 3.4GHz and quad core. There's simply no comparison. There are plenty of desktop applications ARM equipped devices can do equally well, but there are an equal number where frankly they simply wouldn't be up to the task. And some of those are things people are going to want to do more of in the future, like HD video processing.

If you wanted to build a desktop machine using ARM it would have to be more like a games console than a current desktop PC. The ARM 'cpu' would in fact not do all that much but would be surrounded by a lot of custom high speed silicon that was good at specific tasks or set of tasks and all the CPU would do is shuffle tasks around between them.

Also ARM have stated they have no intention of going to 64-bit addressing any time soon, which will put their chips at a disadvantage when dealing with large datasets like high megapixel images for example.

ARM chips are very good but they're tailored towards what they believe their market is - low power consumption 'consumer' devices. I'm not sure that fits with where the desktop PC is, or where it's going. Even if the future of HCI is with tablets and 'sub tablet' devices, you're still going to want a big lump of horsepower some of the time. IMO you can't just have an iPad, unless your needs are very modest. Now some people's needs are modest but I actually think the percentage of people like that is falling, not growing. As we all become used to playing with HD video and multi-megapixel cameras and pulling huge amounts of data around over wireless networks, we're actually going to need more computing horsepower, not less. There's no reason for that horsepower to be in what looks like a desktop PC today and for us to 'drive' it the same way but it does have to be somewhere.

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However, Apple have shifted from Motoroloa to Intel, and that was a big shift. Can they ask their developers to do the same again?

if they maintain the APIs across the transition, most developers won't care all that much, it'd just be a recompile and a bit more QA. And Apple are already some way down the path towards the 'distributed processing model' with things like OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch. I'm just not sure Apple are there yet and I'm fairly certain ARM chips of themselves won't get us there - first they'd have to decide to go that path, then there'd have to be an awful lot of backroom development afterwards. That may be going on but I don't think it's going to happen in the next few years or anything.

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If Apple moved to ARM I'd expect a HUGE price cut.
I used an ARM desktop running Windows 7 starter the other week and it was slow as hell, compare they to my server which has a fairly weedy Intel chip in it and running the resource hungry Solaris + ZFS which runs actually quite nicely...


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When the A5 is already so nippy, it will be interesting to see what the A6 delivers. Just to put things in perspective, here's a video encoding benchmark review:

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So how does the iPad 2 compare to machines that cost around $3,000? The iPad 2 killed the competition. The iPad 2 encoded the video faster than real time! It only took 1 minute and 56 seconds for the iPad 2 to encode the video. The closest Mac was 19 seconds slower!


iPad 2 Beats Out MacBook Pros In iMovie Speed Tests

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I doubt it, certainly in the MBP but in the Macbooks maybe. Though the lastest laptops have i7's so are very powerful in comparison. If they offered low cost ARM variants then they could tap that gap between iPads and low end Macbooks. It would not appeal to me.

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