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bobbdobbs
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"clicky"A sensible decision by the grand jury IMHO.
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cloaked_wolf
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+1. Didn't see it in the story but wanted to know about the circumstances surrounding the abduction eg where was the child - babysitter/neighbour?
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MrStevenRogers
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rustybucket
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To find a man not guilty of manslaughter due to the obviously extreme provocation is one thing. But to not bring any charge at all? I'm not sure I can agree tbh. I shall have to think on this one. Hmm... 
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ProfessorF
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My thoughts exactly. Nothing about this sits well with me.
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JJW009
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I'm sure I've read that something like "temporary insanity" can protect you from proscecution in a case like this. The case I was actually thinking of was when a man came home to find his wife in bed with another man, and wasn't charged for killing them.
Most people would understand a man loosing his mind when confronted with that...
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Linux_User
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If a court find you not guilty of murder by way of diminished responsibility then fair enough - but you can only get the charge reduced to voluntary manslaughter and could end up in a psychiatric hospital by order of the court, which is probably worse than prison. Either way if this was in the UK it should definitely go before a court, the CPS shouldn't take a decision like this.
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l3v1ck
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+1 He shouldn't have to choose between protecting his daughter and going to jail. You can argue about "oh he should have just restraained him" all you like, but the father could have been overpowered/injured/killed himself if he's just tried that. If I found someone doing that to my son, I'd loose my rag and go ape on the [LIFTED] too. It would be an instinctive and natural reaction.
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Spreadie
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Whether or not you agree with the verdict, if they found he was justified to use deadly force, it doesn't leave a lot of room for any other charge.
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bobbdobbs
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 |  |  |  | Quote: A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit.
In 2005 Texas passed House Bill 94[32] which created an exception for unlawful entry of place of residence to a 1973 statute, which required a person to retreat in the face of a criminal attack unless a "reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have retreated".[33]
In 2007 Texas Legislature passed Senate Bill 378 which extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:
Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes; Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place; or Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.[13] Senate Bill 378, made effective September 1, 2007, also "abolishes the duty to retreat if the defendant can show he: (1) had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used; (2) did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and (3) was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used."[34]
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The reasons for the Texas grand juriy decision to not indict the man.
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rustybucket
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Absolutely Unfortunately, however, the father did kill someone and so should be tried in court. It's not that the father intended to kill or that the rapist somehow deserves justice - I don't think either of those is true. It's just that, to me at least, once you can kill a child rapist vith impunity, you'll end up being able to do it to a rapist, and then a mugger, then an aggressive youth on the street and then who knows who else.  |  |  |  | Quote: "Would a minute have mattered? No, probably not, although his young son appeared to have a very accurate internal clock. Possibly even 2 minutes would be okay. Three minutes, even. You could go to five minutes, perhaps. But that was just it. If you could go for five minutes, then you'd go to ten, then half an hour, a couple of hours...and not see your son all evening. So that was that. Six o'clock, prompt. Every day. Read to young Sam. No excuses. He'd promised himself that. No excuses. No excuses at all. Once you had a good excuse, you opened the door to bad excuses." --- Terry Pratchett, Thud! |  |  |  |  |
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bobbdobbs
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Texas has a grand Jury system before trial. They looked at the evidence and weighed against applicable statutes and found there was no case to be answered.
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rustybucket
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I understand that... ... and think that it's wrong.
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bobbdobbs
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Why? We have the CPS that decides if a prosecution goes ahead. Or should everything go to trial?
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JJW009
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Has there ever been a case with undesputed evidence where the CPS has decided not to prosecute manslaughter?
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