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Probably a less politically biased view:

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/blame- ... 19607.html

Er.. sourced from the Daily Telegraph? I'm not entirely sure your adjectives are appropriate.


The Torygraph? Yes, fair and balanced.
When she left office, IIRC, we had the highest rate of unemployment since the Great Depression.

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Since when does the paper the article appears in matter given that the author has no affiliation with the paper. Are you suggesting that he wrote in response to the DT asking for a piece written to support their paricular view?

Perhaps a bit of research into the author might be appropriate before these conculsions are made?

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Since when does the paper the article appears in matter given that the author has no affiliation with the paper. Are you suggesting that he wrote in response to the DT asking for a piece written to support their paricular view?

Perhaps a bit of research into the author might be appropriate before these conculsions are made?



He edits City AM - a paper designed to be handed out to the sort of person Thatcherism nurtured and saw as the brave face of a new UK.
So forgive me if thinking his ideology might be somewhat sympathetic to the Telegraph's own. If it wasn't, I doubt if the paper would commission a piece from him. You don't need to ask when you're pretty certain your writer is on your team; if they weren't I suspect an edit here or there might tighten the copy up.

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The long period of stability led politicians and bankers to think that there was no more boom and bust and housing could only go up. In 2008 the Economist estimated that UK property was overvalued by more than 60% yet it has fallen only 10 to 15% outside London. I am ignoring London as it is now dominated by inflows from the Eurozone buying property here. So UK property is still over valued by more than 45%, and is only held up by ultra low and damaging interest rates. The impact on pensions will not be felt by most until they retire. The problem was that recessions are normal way of clearing out bad investments, and creating new opportunities. Until those bad investments are cleared and repriced it reduces the scope for new investment. That was a mistake of neoclassical economics which is what Thatcher brought in and both Brown was promoting and Cameron continues today. Thatcher was not the biggest cause of the weakness of our economy now but she started the cascade.

I don't recall the Economist's number ever going anywhere near the alarming and insane estimate you are peddling there.
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Unattended markets do often do silly things and that may lead us to conclude that capping and controlling them fixes those things. But Thatcher was aware, and you are too if you are willing to admit it, that there are also unintended consequences of those same controls.

The guy who wrote that article Dogbert linked to (who is the editor of City AM, which is probably a bit worse than the Torygraph) is overblown in his admiration of Thatcher's liberalization. But he isn't without a point. Over-regulation does cripple growth just as surely as under-regulation promotes collapse.

I don't approve of this thin end of the wedge argument either. Thatcher is a historical actor, operating within her times, and aligning incentives according to the perceived needs of those times. The 4 prime ministers who have followed here all are to be understood in the same terms. The implication that Thatcher had self will but everyone else was a prisoner of her historical design is logically untenable.


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Since when does the paper the article appears in matter given that the author has no affiliation with the paper. Are you suggesting that he wrote in response to the DT asking for a piece written to support their paricular view?

Err, no, exactly the opposite in fact. Plus I don't think 'newspaper publishes article in line with it's editorial policy' was exactly a controversial point to make..

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Perhaps a bit of research into the author might be appropriate before these conculsions are made?

That's far more effort than its worth, to be honest.


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Seen what's at number 1 in the Hit Parade? http://www.itunescharts.net/uk/charts/s ... um=twitter

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Seen what's at number 1 in the Hit Parade? http://www.itunescharts.net/uk/charts/s ... um=twitter


just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her
all the elite think that she was the Jesus h Christ walking on water

one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Blair (after election) was her, one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Brown (after election) was her
states a lot about the system ...

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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her


You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol

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It's democracy in action. People are actually spending their own money to show the world what they think of the rather mawkish eulogising that's going on. And it is a little bit funny, let's be honest. Thatcher was a complex, sometimes contradictory character. She had an agenda and she pushed it though. Some people benefitted from that agenda, some people were hurt by it. It's bordering on the delusional to expect the people who were hurt by her actions to somehow be nice to her after her passing. That would be utterly hypocritical.

As for the Daily Mail & the like condemning anyone who isn't being nice to her after her death, I saw an interesting web page yesterday that republished the articles they ran after the death of labour politician (and avowed left winger) Michael Foot. Let's just say they weren't as complimentary to him at all. If there's any hypocrites in this whole affair it's (unsurprisingly) the press themselves.


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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her

You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol

IIRC roughly you have to sell 50,000 copies to get to number one these days unless it's mid summer at which point the number drops dramatically. 50,00 isn't 'everyone', but it's just as valid an expression as any newspaper headline, which at the end of the day is actually the opinion of maybe a dozen people at most.


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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her


You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol

On a quiet week I think it is a very low figure, though I think that this sold more than 50. I mean there must be more than 50 ex-miners with iTunes accounts?

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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her


You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol


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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her
all the elite think that she was the Jesus h Christ walking on water

one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Blair (after election) was her, one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Brown (after election) was her
states a lot about the system ...


if you are going to quote me could you please quote me in full
i think i may have earned that privilege, wherever you agree with it or not

instead of redacting part/most of the post, thank you ...

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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her


You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol


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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her
all the elite think that she was the Jesus h Christ walking on water

one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Blair (after election) was her, one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Brown (after election) was her
states a lot about the system ...


if you are going to quote me could you please quote me in full
i think i may have earned that privilege, wherever you agree with it or not

instead of redacting part/most of the post, thank you ...


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Why the [LIFTED] is she being given a state funeral?

Despite being a fan, I have to agree with you there. She didn't die in office so it should come out of her estate.

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