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What did the Lockerbie bomber get? About a month per victim by the time they let him out?

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Society has changed. We have moved on and what was considered "acceptable " or at least tolerated is not now. Certainly the kiddie stuff was wrong then as now, but there will be a bunch of other 70's celebs who behaved similarly and will be worried. Many top of the pops presenters I recall having straying hands on screen, and they would have had little idea of the age of the girls around them. And probably didnt ask.

Doesn't make it right, but if found guilty are sentenced by the standards of the time, anything else would be unfair. By that standard Harriss's sentence is at the top of the scale.

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On the review

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28174592

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Ms Baird, the police and crime commissioner for Northumbria and the former Solicitor General for England and Wales, said uncertainty created by changing the sentence would be "very poisonous".
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"You can't be charged with a more serious offence than you knew you were committing at the time.


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Peter Garsden, president of the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers, said the sentencing process was "a bit of an anachronism" and it didn't "make much logical sense" for judges to use old guidelines.

"I think that there needs to be a change of law. I found the logic to be quite bizarre but it's a well-ingrained sentencing policy and that seems to be the justification for it.

"If you said to the public the reason Rolf Harris's sentence was shorter was because the judge was tied by old sentencing guidelines, they would find it somewhat bizarre.

"The victim has suffered many more years of torment waiting for this case to come to court so therefore the damage to the victims is greater and the sentence should be greater.

"It's a bit like saying that somebody who committed a murder in 1963 and is tried now should actually be hung [sic] because the sentencing guidelines then were that there should be a hanging."


I can see both sides of that in the legal sense, but frankly, do we believe scumbags are committing sex crimes whilst weighing up how long they'll serve if caught? 'She's under 13, I'll play it safer with her sister...' :roll:

This is why I'd like to see an overall review of sentencing at every level and modern, set minimum tariffs at the end of it with relevant leeway for each individual case. We have more data than ever now, we should use it efficiently. This thing of 'The offender got what?' happens far too often, especially in sex abuse cases.

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I'm just thinking that if any of the Oz complainants make it to court over there, he'll basically die in court or jail no matter what.

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Also I think questions have to be asked as to how Rolf has avoided being charged with possession of child pornography.

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Today, for the first time it can be revealed that Harris faced the possibility of a second trial on child porn charges.

The court heard that the images were found on his computer when police searched his home in Bray in 2012. Harris logged onto porn sites then tried to cover it up. His browsing history showed he had been logging on to various illicit websites. He was charged with four counts of making indecent images of a child between March and July 2012.

Prosecutor Sasha Wass QC said today that in the light of the convictions the Crown Prosecution Service had decided it would not be in the public interest to go ahead with the case.



So how has that been arranged? Not only a light sentence but charges which would see any normal person in a lot of trouble set aside! Perhaps Rolf could account for it as 'research' like Pete Townshend did.

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It went as far as asking the website owners for details including the ages of those in the videos, certificates to that effect etc. It seemed there was enough doubt for the prosecution to back down, and I spose from their POV (certainly not mine) they'd got him sent down anyway.

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Inquiry expected to look into handling of claims by government, NHS and BBC after PM promises 'no stone will be left unturned'


it goes to the very top and am sure it was within the rules
i have no doubt that it will be fully vindicated ...

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... uiry-panel

dirty, filthy, low life scum ...
(that's the polite version)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31156427

What I hate about these cases is the judiciary will often tack on derisory sentences as if 'newer' victims somehow matter less.

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pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31156427

What I hate about these cases is the judiciary will often tack on derisory sentences as if 'newer' victims somehow matter less.


How’s a long sentence going to help when you’ve got someone in his 80s who will very likely not live for the full term?

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pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31156427

What I hate about these cases is the judiciary will often tack on derisory sentences as if 'newer' victims somehow matter less.


How’s a long sentence going to help when you’ve got someone in his 80s who will very likely not live for the full term?


Makes no difference IMO, victims need and should be treated equally, fcuk Rolf and the like.

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