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Lib Dems to push 'proud story' of achievements
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ShockWaffle
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Nevertheless, they remain wrong. They can't tell the difference between insurance and provision, and neither can you or Amnesia10. You appear to be repeating my point while taking a shouty attitude. It's as if you are so blinded with rage as to have lost the capacity to read. I didn't deny. It sounds too stupid to be true, but I accept it probably is true anyway. We both know that lots of the claims they investigate do need to be investigated, and I'm sure we both agree that this should be done better. I appreciate a good rant as much as the next man. But I don't understand where the 30 years thing comes from. The police fitted up the Birmingham six long before that. financial crime has a very long and excellent history. the behaviour of politicians has been scandalous since they came into existence. The tradition of sending perverted sons to a career in the church is old as the hills, and the gutter press have been beacons of moral turpitude forever. They do also have scandals abroad by the way. Including paedo priests, dodgy cops, corruption and so on. Wrong http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012 ... rom-sweden
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:17 am |
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jonbwfc
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Yeah, that's about as far as I want to take this discussion thanks.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:35 am |
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ShockWaffle
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Ragequit!
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:45 am |
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jonbwfc
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More recognition of the futility of discussing with someone who thinks they know a situation they aren't involved in better than the people who are experiencing it every day.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:45 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Oh come on. We both know you've bailed because you were [LIFTED] about Swedish healthcare and you are annoyed about getting called on it.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:51 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Yeah, OK, whatever you like. Go buy yourself a milkshake to celebrate.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:55 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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It's just like my annual Christmas victory over the self basting turkey.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 pm |
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pcernie
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All infants in England to get free school lunches http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24132416 
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Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:30 pm |
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pcernie
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ism-powersThe right to silence thing I'd question (that's an IRA favourite historically), but I can't see how you can justify the rest above without even reasonable suspicion, never mind evidence.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:05 pm |
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pcernie
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Put us back in government in 2015, Nick Clegg says http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24137394
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:21 pm |
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pcernie
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Liberal Democrat minister rues party's record on female MPs http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -women-mpsThere's a 'disproportionate' amount of women in my workplace - nobody gives a crap because it makes no difference!
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:15 pm |
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jonlumb
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If you cannot see that the Conservatives are doing their utmost to wreck the NHS to then make the argument for privatisation easier, then you're more moronic than you even come across on here.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:18 am |
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big_D
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 |  |  |  | rustybucket wrote: I would first ask the question 'Was there ever a time when politicians were civilized?' I can't help but think that the idea of a benvolent, representative, civic-minded legislature is now, and always was, a myth. But, assuming that a civilized political establishment did once exist, the question I would ask is which way the causality runs. The last time I looked, neither the press nor the general populace have managed to steer free of cynicism - I'm guilty of more than my fair share of it to be honest. If I were a politician, and everyone automatically assumed that everything I ever said was a lie, why would I bother telling the truth? If I were a politician, and I knew that it is rarely the colorful character that wins, would I not refrain from being colourful? If implausible, is it not at least possible that the current state of politics is the result of society's cynicism, rather than the cause of it? I just think it's too easy to blame politicians for everything. In truth, a pessimistic part of me says that we have exactly the parliament that we deserve. |  |  |  |  |
I think one problem is that multinational companies now wield more power than countries do, in a lot of areas - most aren't bankrupt, unlike most countries, at least not financially. That give the politicians a glimpse of the futility of what they are doing and when a multinational offers them a bigger pension than the state they are "serving" could ever dream of, it must be pretty tempting for many.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:11 am |
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big_D
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It is certainly the case that Germany seems to be much more trusting than modern Britain. As I've said elsewhere, here in Germany it is still relatively common for people not to worry about locking the house if they pop out to the shops. Bikes stand outside in the garden unlocked, people don't lock their garages - heck, I have one friend who leaves his garage unlocked and the keys in his motorbikes and his friends can turn up and go for a spin, if they want to. Where I lived in the UK, it was like that before I left at the end of the 90s. If I forgot to close the car windows when I got home, a neighbour would ring on the doorbell the next day and let me know. Now, if the car is left on the road over night, then they have to expect that the aerial is broken off or tyres slashed, if nothing worse, before they get up in the morning. My old neighbours have had their garden and the garden furniture destroyed on several occasions now. They are thinking of moving to South Africa to be near a cousin.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:19 am |
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ShockWaffle
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Privatisation of what? Insurance or provision. If you mean the former, then they are clearly doing no such thing. If you talk of adding private service providers into the mix along with public sector ones, then so what? It's good enough for Germany, France and Sweden, why would it be so terrible here? The American system is defined by its lack of national health insurance, which is unusual and financially illogical. It imposes a huge cost burden by inefficiently spreading risk (which is what insurance is for - and Obamacare's main provision is an attempt to redress that failing). Outside of that country, their current system of provision is recognised by both conservatives (including ours) and progressives to be a bad choice. Which is why I can safely claim that we are not Americanising. If I come across as moronic to you, that is your error. I can explain and justify all of my claims. Whether we do that in a constructive spirit, with you asking me to explain and justify claims that you find implausible, or just throw cheap insults around is for you to decide.
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