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Cap on tuition fees 'should be scrapped' 
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If the prices go up, will the level of education go up too?

Probably not, but you'll find the places with a better reputation will rapidly become a lot more expensive to go to than those with less eminent standing. Soon enough we'll get to the American system, where going to the best Universities depends on you/your parents having tens of thousands of pounds to throw away each year (or you're phenomenally lucky and get a scholarship) rather than you academic ability.

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Initially when they come out with a £3000 cap on fees every college had fees of £3000. It was supposed to start separating the colleges by fees. It never happened. Eventually the fees will get to the point that you need rich parents and then Oxford and Cambridge could probably tell the government to stuff their quotas because poor students do not pay enough, and go completely private.

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And so it begins. Higher fees = more motivation to pass people each year rather than fail them if they're not up it.
I hate to think how much debt people will be in when they leave uni.
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Capping fees artificially increases the demand for places and [/b]causes students to value their education less[/b]
Is this guy a frickin moron? You think people only value something if they have to pay thousands upon thousands a year for it? T**t!
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The report also suggests loans should be targeted at students most in need, with loans to wealthier students limited to a set percentage of university fees.
All students are poor, it's the parents that have the money. But many of them can't or won't pay the new higher fees. If their children can't borrow it, how will they go at all?

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And so it begins. Higher fees = more motivation to pass people each year rather than fail them if they're not up it.
I hate to think how much debt people will be in when they leave uni.

In the US medical students are leaving University with debts approaching $500 000 before they have even started working. The end result is that low paid medical jobs will end up disappearing, because no one is learning the necessary skills. Then add in the fact that as a medical practitioner they will need huge premiums in insurance as well, so it explains why US doctors charge so much.

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so it explains why US doctors charge so much.

Plus the fact that they are greedy bar stewards :D

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.... do we really need half of our kids going to university and ending up in serious debt before they have even started a career?

No we don't.

University is a bad option for most students. We need to get a grip on the idea that people need different educations.

University should be for geeks, swots and speccies;
Polytechnics for craftsmen and artisans;
Technical colleges for skilled office trades.

Unfortunately we, as a society, have lost sight of the fact that academics don't generate wealth; craftsmen do. Middle management should always earn less than skilled engineers and carpenters. It should not be a sign of failure to become a plumber; it should be a greater achievement than a degree.

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Make A levels hard again where the average was a couple of C’s and a B with only the very brightest getting A’s
This will allow universities to distinguish between students.

I see no reason for this 50% attending uni that NuLab wanted – it is pointless. Now if they had said 50% in higher education ( Uni, Poly and High Quality Apprenticeships) then that would be fine but the number of Micky Mouse degrees ( and I bet there is a degree course in that!) just shows that uni’s struggle to find enough academically intelligent students for more mainstream courses

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