I would say that my N10J is far more 'high end' than that Tosh by the simple addition of Nvidia 9300M graphic and HDMI out. So when you hook it up to an external monitor it doesn't look like someone smeared grease all over your pixels. Apart from I didn't pay 'high end' prices for it though as it came via a friend from the States.

Agreed. The "high-end" netbooks are just cheap netbooks in a pretty case. The core specification remains the same, but they price themselves outisde the "netbook" market. They are also going over the 10" mark on some of the newer ones. The original 7-8" displays were really perfect for taking around with you. If you are going 12", why not get a "proper" notebook for a couple of quid more, it will be more capable and only slightly more cumbersome to carry around...


Definitely not high end, in terms of specification, or price. I would say that it was high-end about 18 months ago...

Looking around, it seems to be more of a entry level or mid-ranged laptop, at least that is what most sites review it as.


In 2004, when the review was written, possibly...

There are no high-end netbooks full stop. Just expensive ones

All netbooks aren't the same core spec Big D, you have a variety of Atoms, a few Celerons (albeit all using 945 chips) and some stuff by VIA. Then you have small flash type drives, or proper hard drives, my N10J has a 320GB sata drive like you would find in a Macbook or something. It also has Nvidia 9300m, as far as I know no other Netbooks have this or the ability to switch over to Intel GMA instead when you don't need it. I think there is enough variation in Netbooks right now to not say they are all the same core spec otherwise you would have to say all Laptops are the same core spec too.

As for no high end netbooks, I think that statement itself lends itself to the fact that the phrase 'high end' is a buit like 'top of the range' and a bit of a stupid one that nobody should be using anyway as its rather meaningless !

I noticed Scan were or do use the term 'high end' to shift products which are clearly not 'high end' and rather 'low end' like North Q psu's.

As has been said, price does not dictate where the computer is on the low-end to high-end scale...



See, I wouldn't call that high end, maybe pro equipment or similar. I guess it depends what customer base you're talking about.
To an average consumer, a Mac Pro or a similar Dell would be high-end. To a gamer the Mac Pro would probably be seen as upper-mid-range(?).
Whereas the average consumer might think the Mac Mini is an adequate machine, the gamer would call it very low-end.

I guess you have to define some boundaries, if you're looking at the whole spectrum then servers would out-trump many desktop machines, making those high-end desktops mid-range, boundaries need to be defined when talking about what platform and what customer.

CC would probably count a Mac Pro or a MacBook Pro to be high end, because of his past experience with computers. They hare both high-end Mac's, and if he wants to run OS X then they are as high end as he is going to get.
Others will find that certain computers are only mid-range because of the market they are in.

There does seem to be a clique of people for whom the phrase "high end" is the same as "great for gaming". Thus there can be no high end netbooks. In another thread I was told that there are no high end 15" laptops.

To me I typically classify "normal" computers into low mid and high range. Stuff that I can buy on the high street. So in that case I would indeed call the Mac Pro high end. As a computer that you can buy on the high street there must be very few competitors that are selling faster kit. Thus it is high end. To reserve the term for computers that only one in a thousand buy seems rather wasteful.


For gaming machines I would have used the phrase "extreme" or "ultra high end".

However for now I would not mind a consensus view. Is there such a thing as a high end notebook computer?

The closest you'll get to a high end netbook is this

No need to lose another nights sleep over this one mister Cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_end

Their descripton would fit in more with how I use the word 'Classy' or 'Posh' though. They start off by mentioning Mercedes and Lexus, both who knock out models which are inferior to the 'humble' Honda Accord.

So an Intel® Atom Z520 Processor, is high end?

That does help. Ignoring the stuff about houses and cars we have this.

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So that would be most Macs right?

no but the price is!

I think you can see why I get confused over the issue. The term seems to be used in different ways by different groups.

I am going to stick to my current method I think. For desktop computers.

Office quality stuff = Low end

Lightweight gaming and mid price range = mid range

Stuff that will run most games = high end.

Stuff that gamers would envy = ultra high end.

For laptops. Similar sorts of definitions but substituting the word graphics for gaming.

CC

The term 'High End' isn't an industry standard, you can't really classify it as its purely subjective. If you have been running an 8 year old Dell and someone buys you a Medion PC with a Blu-Ray drive from Aldi and replaces your goldfish bowl CRT with a 24" flat panel, that is going to be (to you) ultra [LIFTED] high end.

High End has many different meanings.
A high end product can either be at the top of it's game (uber gaming rig/workstation for PC's or mac pro for Apple) or a luxury item (a high quality expensive item, such as that sony).
You cannot compare high end products like for like.
A mac pro is a high end mac but compared to a similar priced PC is would appear to be a mid ranged over priced box (on a hardware level) it is however the most beautiful case for a machine on the market.

The Mac Pro is indeed one expensive box of tricks.

I would never buy one. Too expensive and it has one of those tower things I hate so much. I am surprised that it would look "mid range" compared to a similarly priced PC though.

8-Core

Two 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processors
6GB (six 1GB) memory
640GB hard drive
18x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB

£2500

Does £2500 buy you a much faster machine than an 8 core 2.26 Nehalem (whatever that is)? I expect the answer is yes but I have looked on Dell site and I can't even find an 8 core machine to price up.