Another film thread, and this one looks like it's going to be epic. I'm a big fan of the Terminator films (although rise of the machines was a bit lame).

New one is out this month. Just have a look at this clip and tell me it doesn't look pretty impressive. Anyone else looking froward to it? (I know you are KxKuK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcYdjHpJUV8&feature=topvideos

Hmmm - I am and I’m not. I think they should have stopped at Judgement Day, and in my mind they did. James Cameron was not involved in the third film, nor the TV series. He’s certainly not involved with this.

The third film was truly bad - Arnie was playing it for laughs, and you’ll note that the TV series skipped over that with a bit of time travel shenanigans. I actually liked The Sarah Connor Chronicles - but I’m sure it’s not regarded as canon by the writers of the new film.

I’ll be more inclined to comment when I have seen it. I get the feeling that it’s Trade Mark gathering exercise though.

ace, all terminator films I love

Like the look of it =)

Not really followed the Terminator films... I really feel like i've missed out on normal pop culture =/

The whole (current) set shouldn't cost you any more than £9 delivered if you look around and buy them as single disc editions, and there is a trilogy set which you may be able to find cheap - either way, I highly recommend you do so*

* The only reason the third film is even worth watching is the fact it sets up Salvation's story - it's basically a retread of part 2

Regarding Salvation, I'm gonna read some of the reviews before I take myself down to the flicks. The trailers look GREAT, but then so did Wolverine, and that seems to have been average at best...

Actually, the effects are amazing and a couple of the set-pieces are very, very well done. It's good popcorn fodder. No need to hate. It's far from X3 The Last Stand.

I didn't mind X3 that much, but then I didn't see it until all the fuss had died down - I didn't even know there was a fuss!

It was the same deal with T3*. I'd argue the two movies before T3 had too much skill and effort put into them just for a crappy retread, and certainly not popcorn fodder. I also think the effects were terrible in that super-shiny blatant CGI way, where the CGI in T2 somehow looked more 'realistic', and still stands up today IMO.

I personally think CGI should only be used where completely necessary, with all other techniques used beforehand where possible - I can't even watch the Star Wars prequels tbh.

* I've only ever saw the Terminator films at home - I'm 27, which ruled out going to the cinema for the first two on their release, and the third one didn't even look too good in the trailers IMO

I'm also 27, so saw the first two on DVD (albeit the second one THX certified edition). I went to the cinema for T3 and I have to say the CG was massively better than the recently (at the time) released, Matrix Reloaded. The chase with the fire truck and vet's pickup in particular was superb.

Agreed that T2 still stands up. Watched it just a week ago. However, the CG is less good than people make out. The regular FX work is outstanding. To me T3 looked more "real" than contemporaries (Spiderman, being another example).

Maybe the first two movies deserved better, but don't most? Godfather I&II, ANH and ESB, X1&2, Spiderman 1&2, Batman & Returns, Robocop 1&2, Jurassic Park 1&2, the list goes on........
Hollywood's a business. Unfortunately, that guarantees us shash movies all too often. T3 was on a par with Jedi, but probably better than most of the "thirds" I've referenced and it gets to continue to a Christian Bale-starring McG directed movie. Not bad I'd say. Of course, much like we waited to see how Bond would live on post-Bourne, I'm intrigued to see what the war of the machines looks like in a post-Transformers world. They have Megan, could be close one.........

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See, I don't even really recall those scenes cos I had so little invested in the characters at that point - the script was awful ('You remind me of my mom!'), and the acting was pretty bad too (Dames especially). It was just a bunch of action scenes with some really clunky exposition surrounding it. You could have a million theories and counter-theories as to the time-traveling plots of the first two films, but the third still came up with an absolute stinker . The only thing they got right was the ending...



I still think the CGI was better used in T2 than any films of recent years, mostly becuase it's used to advance the story, not just become some 'plot-beat'. I thought the CGI on Arnie's mug looked ridiculous compared to the make-up effects from T2. I never really noticed the CGI in Spider-man as the only character I actually wanted to see more of was JJJ - that film had enough 'heartfelt' moments for a boyband video



I've never watched the Godfather films 'properly', SW never really got my interest somehow (though I appreciate the stories and work in them), the X films are good but don't stick in my memory that well, the Spider films have way too much simpering over MJ (and the third was Godawful in every way), loved Batman but wish Returns hadn't gone just so silly, same with Robocop 1+2, the JP films have great moments but that's it for me...



Yeah, but it's Hollywood that insists on calling and looking at films as 'franchises' right off the bat - they only seem to get the importance of quality when the film reaches ridiculous box-office levels like Iron Man and TDK.

Even when they thought Arnie was never gonna be the Terminator again, instead of hiring a hack, why not bring in someone who could at least potentially kick off a new trilogy/franchise/whatever you wanna call it?

Regarding Bale and T4, he apparently required all sorts of assurances and the only truly bad film I've seen him in was Equillibrium , so I'm very hopeful for T4

By the way, there's a particular machine in T4 that's very reminiscent of a Transformer

You see, I thought Equilibrium was actually a really, really good film…

It's downfall was that everyone simply assumed it was a Matrix copy.

Needed more plot if you ask me

Some plot. Well the basic plot is ripped from Farenheit 451 but let's be honest; the plot is just a device to get to the next fight scene. Ever seen 'Ultraviolet' starring Mila Jovovic? Same director, same producer (I think), exactly the same plot just with a slight twist. I can't believe I watched two films where the meglomaniac dictator also turns out to be some sort of martial arts master swordsman. I mean, what?

Jon

There's no Arnie.....Not happy.

See, I wouldn't call Equilibrium "good". I'd say "ok" and "interesting". The gun kata was cool, and it mused on interesting topics. However, it WAS clearly a post-Matrix film and not one of the more distinct ones.

Ernie, I agree, Bale lends credence IMO. But, sucker that I am, I'd be going anyway, as I like the concept of the Terminator - plain and simple. On a seperate note, you should see the Godfather and you really need to appreciate how NOT X3, T3 was. Everything's relative.

Films with Mila Jovovic are generally best avoided, so no, didn't bother with UV