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I don't think some people live in the same world as me. Some of you live in the world where having a job and an annual payrise is a god given right.Take the BA who are on strike over pay as they don't like two-year freeze of their salaries.How can somebody in their right mind ask for a freaking payrise when they work for an airline the middle of the biggest recession in a living memory? Do they not understand that in a recession people fly less so airline has to drop prices of tickets and cut number of flights? How then can airline pay more to their staff? Are all people working for BA retarded? Why on earth should you get a payrise every single year with complete disregard of market conditions? Where do they think the money for payrises is gonna come from, some secret stash under COE's desk?If you believe you deserve a payrise (or better conditions, holidays, more recognition or whatever) and your employer is not gonna give you one go elsewhere. And if you can't find what you are looking for elsewhere that means you are asking too much and you should be happy with what you have. Demand and supply set the price of labour just as they do for the most of good and services.In eastern block in communist era everybody had a job, there was full employment all the time. If you didn't have a job there would be one created JUST FOR YOU. And if you didn't like that job they would give you another one. And a person who couldn't keep a job would go to JAIL for being a parasite of a society. So people had jobs doing all kinds of useless things, producing goods and service that nobody needed. Do you know what kind of damaged that did their economies? Just look at the standard of living in Eastern and Western Europe in 1990 when Eastern Europe economically crumbled. They basically run out of money to support their economic experiment any longer...


That doesn't give employers the right to rail-road over staff by unilaterally changing pay and conditions. For quite a while now people have endured pay freezes despite a noticeable rate of inflation - that effectively means they've taken pay cuts. All this at a time when the pay of senior managers and chief executives has sky-rocketed. Britain is now one of the most unequal societies in the Western world.

There comes a time when people say "enough". As for the situation at BA - I have no sympathy for the management when they withdrew an offer that the Union was considering accepting.

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As for the situation at BA - I have no sympathy for the management when they withdrew an offer that the Union was considering accepting.

I don't exactly know all the ins and outs, but all reports say that BA mgmt put that offer on the table on the understanding that it was conditional on no strike action being planned. Unite then announced 2 sets of strike dates and so BA mgmt withdrew the deal. Seems fair enough since it was therefore apparent that Unite were holding out for more using threat of strike action, and it's even more clear now that they've said they won't strike anymore if BA put that offer back on the table...

Striking generally seems a bit futile unless you're a member of a big trade union. I work in an industry with no union representation which means I am at the mercy of my employer as far as that goes. I am also fortunate to work for a good and large company who treat their employees like family and who's entire management team, including Exec level people took a 2% paycut this year so we ordinary folk could get a payrise.

All the same, I don't take a payrise or bonus as my right, I took on a job at a pay level and it's not necessarily my companies responsibility to recompense me for things they can't control (like the cost of living etc) We as a nation and a continent live very well as a general rule (there are always exceptions) and having seen proper "poverty" I don't feel like I'm in much of a position to complain. I could stand to cut a heck of a lot out of my "lifestyle" and still survive very nicely when compared to many others and most of the people I know could say the same, although they wouldn't want to because they've got used to their way of life.

I'm not saying it would be nice or desirable, just possible.

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