Jut like the thread in the News section, debating this Mac vs anything else thing with yourself is like grasping fog. I don't mean that to sound nasty though, but I think everyone is being objective rather than yourself. Not everyone feels the 'Mac Experience' is worth paying for. I think the laptops are good because of the added value of the well engineered case, but take for example the old one, the white plastic variety, they were pretty bad quality the cases used to crack like toffee under use.

The spending £2500 on a box market is very small. Most Apple buyers are loyal fans of the brand who would buy anything with the Apple logo on.

I've heard that before and I think it's a bit needless. Apple has it's fans and they do buy Apple's kit in preference to other manufacturers kit but I'd be surprised if they buy kit for the sake of it, just because of the label on the box. Your Apple fan may buy a macbook rather than a vaio or dell, but they're not going to buy a laptop unless they need one.

Jon

I see... it's an odd combo and strange decision on Apple's part, but I don't know much about the design industry so I'll reserve judgement.

Those who are willing to spend £2500 on a pc wouldn't go to a highstreet store. Highstreet stores can't stock it and make it worthwhile, by the time someone buy's it, it'll have gone out of date.

That did come out a bit wrong. (I own apple stuff myself and love the design of the hardware).



If you're refering to the "macs are better for design work" line that's commonly used. THe reason for this thinking was back in the days of Photoshop v1. It was only available for the mac so to use it you had to buy one. The thought has kinda stuck as well.

It's still partly true simply because of the historic precedence.

There are three professional graphic designers on here that instantly spring to mind, and they all use a Mac. If you ask them, I imagine "it's what I used 10 years ago and I'm now very comfortable with them" is probably quite high on the list of reasons. When you consider the price of the software, it makes sense to simply buy whatever hardware you're most comfortable with. No point saving a few hundred pounds if it's going to make every day a nightmare for the next 5 years, and given that you can't upgrade Adobe software across platforms it may often work out cheaper.

I bet you could given instructions. If someone on here gave you a shopping list and a step-by-step list with the odd YouTube video to show you how to do the slightly harder bits, I bet you could build a working PC. I and many others only learnt to build PC's because people on forums helped us out, checking to see we were buying things that would work together, and then providing help with steps we were unsure about...

Bless you, that made me smile.

Sometimes I feel the same when debating with you. I guess we must have different wiring.

For £1800 right now you could build a PC with more power than you'd ever need. Possibly it would only have 4 cores to hand rather than 8 like the more expensive Mac Pro, but you could dial in loads more graphics power, take advantage of GPGPU/CUDA stuff and use those mega fast Intel SSD's if budget allowed. Overall, with some clocking you'd have a machine that was quicker than the Pro and possible more quicker than you'd need anyway. There would even be budget for a 'high end' soundcard and TV card.

I am still undecided if you are my mother-in-law incognito or not.

Well yes, perhaps. It is just fear at damaging thousands of pounds worth of components that would hold me back rather than lack of skill or ability.

I think people who self build are great. I don't actually think they save much by way of money but it must be very satisfying to build your own computer.

You b****d I just spat coffee over my keyboard. I did not see that quip coming.

Someone said that roughly 10 years ago.

They were talking about a 486DX2 66 with 4MB RAM and a 100MB hard disk. It could serve up millions of web pages, run any application or game available and was a total dream machine.

I still have one in the garage. It plays Doom and Duke Nukem OK, but nothing more recent

You can get insurance for that scan insurance

But would such a system make the Mac look "mid range". If so why don't Dell sell them?

Of course all of this is a bit academic. I have no need for speed. I love my iMac and I hate towers. For me a tower turns any computer into a "low end" machine in the design stakes and for me I would not want to go there.