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I realise that in the past the word has been associated with racism.
In the past? You think it doesn't happen now, just as much as it happened "in the past"?
I think you need to look outside your middle-class white suburban box that you appear to be stuck inside of.

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So baseball bats are no longer used as murder weapons now either are they?

I'm not stuck in any box. You are completely missing the logic.

A is used in a bad way to hurt some people intentionally. B is also used in a bad way to hurt some people intentionally. A must be banned but B is fine carry on as though nothing happened.

That sentence doesn't make sense.

But replace A with the word nigger and B with baseball bat. That is what you are trying to tell me is OK?

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This is a historical piece. Should we be re-writing history, because the history is now offensive?
That's pretty much my thinking on this too.

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This is a historical piece. Should we be re-writing history, because the history is now offensive? :?

That's my thoughts, but you can see there's going to be riots in The States in particular if it goes ahead. Kind of a shame, though. We need a magic button to force people to engage their brains and see there's nothing offensive about the context it's used in, even though nowadays the word has a lot more baggage.

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You are completely missing the logic.
No I'm not, I just don't think your logic fits this argument. Maybe I'm wrong - clearly to you I am. *shrug*

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This is a historical piece. Should we be re-writing history, because the history is now offensive? :?

Although it seems that the Americans are already... Evidently the American Civil War was all about freeing the slaves, nothing else... :?

Also a good point.

Films such as "Schindler's list" didn't completely write out the fact that concentration camps were used as a way of killing hundres of thousands of Jews because it might have been offensive to Jewish people.

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I realise that in the past the word has been associated with racism.
In the past? You think it doesn't happen now, just as much as it happened "in the past"?
I think you need to look outside your middle-class white suburban box that you appear to be stuck inside of.

So baseball bats are no longer used as murder weapons now either are they?

Baseball bats are far more strongly linked with baseball than violence.

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This is a historical piece. Should we be re-writing history, because the history is now offensive? :?

I agree. The dogs name should stay even if it has different connotations now. Also they haver to have a black labrador or the reason for the dogs name would be meaningless.

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I you want to hear interesting commentary on black people's use of the word 'nigger', watch Coach Carter with Sam Jackson and listen to Sucka Nigga, by A Tribe Called Quest.

The word may be acceptable to many young blacks, but that doesn't make it right. However, in terms of the movie, I don't believe things should be changed for PC reasons, but at the same time, is it that big a deal?


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It is not a word that I would ever use normally, but in this context it should remain the same.

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Also they haver to have a black labrador or the reason for the dogs name would be meaningless.


Or don't, but have a golden retriever and call it 'Aryan' instead. That'll be fine, I'm sure.

The breed, and name, of the dog is entirely secondary to the story. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eyelid either way. The dog is not the point of the tale.

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Also they haver to have a black labrador or the reason for the dogs name would be meaningless.


Or don't, but have a golden retriever and call it 'Aryan' instead. That'll be fine, I'm sure.

The breed, and name, of the dog is entirely secondary to the story. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eyelid either way. The dog is not the point of the tale.


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Baseball bats are far more strongly linked with baseball than violence.


That can depend on where you live :oops:

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The breed, and name, of the dog is entirely secondary to the story. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eyelid either way. The dog is not the point of the tale.


Not so, Nigger was a codeword for a successful breach of the Mohne Dam. This name was chosen because Gibson's dog, a black labrador had that name, and was killed shortly before the raid. Too many people complain about historical inaccuracies and scientific implausibility in movies, so when someone wants to make an accurate film then let them.

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Not so, Nigger was a codeword for a successful breach of the Mohne Dam. This name was chosen because Gibson's dog, a black labrador had that name, and was killed shortly before the raid.


Ahh, I have learnt something today - I knew the dogs name was Nigger, but not that it had been used as the code word.
Stupid historicals and their lack of forward thinking! ;)

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